IGT 06/27 - Phillies at Mets

[kcmets]

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35-39

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

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40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)



https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504 still has SNY

and MLBN listed but I trust ya'll more than them. At least I got the time right!

Edited June 26, 2021 by Guest

[kcmets]

1:10 on SNY and MLBN (out of market only)

[Frayed Knot]

NYM pitcher will be maybe Stroman, maybe someone not named Stroman

Going to be a tough game either way w/Wheeler out there coupled with our inability to hit pitchers not nearly as tough as Wheeler.

Be nice to steal it and walk away with 3 of 4

Braves lost today (Sat), Nats lost also (to the Marlins) and, hey, I heard the Phils lost their game too so a good Saturday all around.



Plus the Yanx are losing to the BoSox.

[G-Fafif]

WPIX game Sunday.



Rojas says Stroman's a go.

[Frayed Knot]

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WPIX game Sunday

[Edgy MD]

The Mets have faced Wheelie five times already in his post Mets career, and he's been good but hittable — striking out 25 and walking only three in 33 2/3 innings, but yielding a .292 batting average against.



This year, he gave up 10 hits in 6 2/3 innings on April 14, as our A-team beat the Phils, 5-1. On May 1, just before the A-team started going down, they got four runs on seven hits in Philadelphia, ultimately being the Phils on a ninth-inning homer by Conforto off our buddy Hector Neris.

[Chad ochoseis]

We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler, and they have performed close to identically this year.



Stro: 15 starts, 6-5, 2.32, 166 ERA+, 85 1/3 IP



Wheeler: 15 starts, 5-4, 2.36, 167 ERA+, 99 1/3 IP

[Gwreck]

Chad ochoseis wrote: We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler

Not a knock at Chad (since this “replacement” narrative came from elsewhere) but that is unmitigated nonsense. Failing to re-sign Wheeler, who wanted to remain a Met, was a big error.



In fact, the biggest failure to re-sign a player since…Reyes? Olerud?

[kcmets]

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35-39

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

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40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)



https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504https://www.mlb.com/gameday/phillies-vs-mets/2021/06/27/633504#game_state=preview,lock_state=preview,game_tab=,game=633504 still has SNY

and MLBN listed but I trust ya'll more than them. At least I got the time right!

[ashie62]

MLBN game would help Fman and a few.



Zack saves his best for the Mets.

[kcmets]

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35-39

Herrrera CF

Realmuto C

McCutchen LF

Hoskins 1B

Jankowski RF

Bohm 3B

Mazon 2B

Torreyes SS

Wheeler P (5-4, 2.36)

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40-32

Stroman P (6-5, 2.32)

[G-Fafif]

McNeil 2B

Lindor SS

Alonso 1B

Conforto RF

McCann C

McKinney LF

Pillar CF

Guillorme 3B

Stroman RHP

[Frayed Knot]

Chad ochoseis wrote: We got Stroman as a replacement for Wheeler Not a knock at Chad (since this “replacement” narrative came from elsewhere) but that is unmitigated nonsense. Failing to re-sign Wheeler, who wanted to remain a Met, was a big error. In fact, the biggest failure to re-sign a player since…Reyes? Olerud?

Except that he was a replacement for Wheeler, a pre-replacement or a hedge against failing to re-sign him if you prefer that wording.

That doesn't mean we have to be happy about it and can't still argue that they should have signed Wheeler in addition to trading for Stroman. But I don't think the fact that that didn't happen makes Chad's statement wrong. One was coming in the door just as the other was leaving and effectively occupies the place where ZW would have been.

[Chad ochoseis]

Yeah, I wasn't opining on whether it made sense - just commenting on the rationale of the Mets' brass as filtered through the media. That being said, given how much Wheeler was asking for given what he had accomplished, I wouldn't have signed him.

[Gwreck]

Frayed Knot wrote: Except that he was a replacement for Wheeler, a pre-replacement or a hedge against failing to re-sign him if you prefer that wording. That doesn't mean we have to be happy about it and can't still argue that they should have signed Wheeler in addition to trading for Stroman. But I don't think the fact that that didn't happen makes Chad's statement wrong. One was coming in the door just as the other was leaving and effectively occupies the place where ZW would have been.

Obviously it's partly semantics, but the words do matter. The idea that Stroman was a “replacement” for Wheeler was a stupid justification made by team executives to the media. There's no need to repeat it or dignify it, hence my objection.

[Edgy MD]

I'm really enjoying Andy Samberg's "Travis Jankowski" character.

[Edgy MD]

Bohm is my new favorite Phillie.

[bmfc1]

Never give a runner the stop sign because you're asking for a flyball or hit and that's too much for the team to accomplish at this time.

[Chad ochoseis]

Funny, I was just thinking the opposite. "Never make the second out at home" is close to a corollary to "Never make the first out at third base". All #LOLMets snide comments aside, I'd guess that with the middle of the order up, that runner scores 75% of the time. This just happened to be part of the other 25%.

[Edgy MD]

McCann held that ball way too long.

[bmfc1]

Edgy MD wrote: McCann held that ball way too long.

He did but he's terrible.



Chad--agreed but this team can't hit.



Jeff McNeil--his head is up his ass. Stro's at 47 pitches thanks to about 10 extra pitches due to McNeil's blunder. This means that he'll only go 5 which is an extra-inning for the bullpen.



Umpires--why can't they make obvious calls correctly? Anyone that doesn't like replay (HOWIE!) needs to look at the Luis/foot call and this one. If the umpires were competent we wouldn't need replay.

[Edgy MD]

I just can't get up for a Luis Guillorme at-bat when they are proceeded by a chorus that cries, "Louie, Louie, you're gonna cry!"

[Edgy MD]

This same-side changeup question seems to have broken Keith. He was stumped, started and stopped several statements, went dead-mic for about five seconds, and came back with stammering word salad.



I think he's high.

[Edgy MD]

Man, Hoskins really likes to take off his whole uniform and put it back on again between pitches, doesn't he?

[Edgy MD]

This inning.



Ponderous and sloppy.

[Chad ochoseis]

And the game started out so well defensively.

[bmfc1]

MetsTwitter: Luis is great, JD is a bad player.

Uh... did you notice his misplay that helped cost them Game 2 on Friday and that play? JD is a superior player and can't get healthy fast enough, especially with how this team hits.

[Gwreck]

We have 13 pitchers on the roster but can't hit for Oswalt when it really matters??

[bmfc1]

In Game 7 of the World Series Luis will be playing for Game 8.

[ashie62]

I am fine going contrarian to say that the Mets should pursue a good bat.