This needs it's own thread.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Ceetar wrote: Because there's no way this team is this bad, they've got more talent than they're exhibiting atm, and with the right moves, they could win the division. They could do this even if they don't raise payroll 50 million, change owners, or fire every doctor that's ever touched a Met. 2015 and 2016 were not flukes, they were a result of key moves. I had a blast those two seasons and they don't need to be dismissed as lucky.

With enough hindsight at my disposal, I'm calling total fluke on 2015. Dont forget that they sucked and looked headed for another Madoff ravaged season until Wilmer cried and they went unconscious for about five weeks. It was the Mets version of Linsanity, where Lin made the cover of SI for two straight weeks and for those two weeks, played like Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Lebron James all rolled into one. Unsustainable. Certainly, Cespedes's Babe Rutb run was an unsustainable Yosanity streak for the ages.
Once in a lifetime, you go an an incredible odds defying roll where everything comes up lucky sevens for a while. That was 2015.

[Ceetar]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: Because there's no way this team is this bad, they've got more talent than they're exhibiting atm, and with the right moves, they could win the division. They could do this even if they don't raise payroll 50 million, change owners, or fire every doctor that's ever touched a Met. 2015 and 2016 were not flukes, they were a result of key moves. I had a blast those two seasons and they don't need to be dismissed as lucky. With enough hindsight at my disposal, I'm calling total fluke on 2015. Dont forget that they sucked and looked headed for another Madoff ravaged season until Wilmer cried and they went unconscious for about five weeks. It was the Mets version of Linsanity, where Lin made the cover of SI for two straight weeks and for those two weeks, played like Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Lebron James all rolled into one. Unsustainable. Certainly, Cespedes's Babe Rutb run was an unsustainable Yosanity streak for the ages. Once in a lifetime, you go an an incredible odds defying roll where everything comes up lucky sevens for a while. That was 2015.

Lol. They won by 7 games. They started 20-11. It was the swoon in late May-June that was the aberration. They went 13-12 in July, pre-Cespedes. Cespedes was on fire, but it wasn't a one-player thing. They, players that had been there all year, stayed healthy and contributed. And then the next year they again had a winning season and a playoff birth, despite less health. They clearly swapped out some of the wrong pieces going forward there, but that doesn't mean that enough of the talent isn't still there to readjust.

Especially if Smith and Rosario are pieces. I mean, that's the crux of it. If these are going to be two above average+ contributors to the franchise, the Mets will be very good. These are fine gambles. These are gambles all teams take, in relying/hoping on top-ranked high-minors players to be big parts of the team for the next few years. If that doesn't come to fruition, they have to be more creative and/or more spendy, but even that's possible.

seawolf17 wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Sign him to an extension NOW!!!! and start changing the narrative. Agree on this. Get him and Thor in a room and sign them both through 2023 immediately.

deGrom more than Thor I think. He's further from FA and the velocity just seems like he could break/be diminished at any point. 3.5 years is a long time.