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Did Bibby pitch for the Mets? I remember being aware that the bigger brother played for the Mets while the smaller brother (Henry) played for the Knicks, which seemed improbable. I definitely remember Bibby as a Met prospect, while Blair and Figueroa I only learned of their Mets connection after they became stars elsewhere. In Figueroa's case, it was decades later--last Saturday, to be precise. And to show off my capacious brain, I also saw Bibby coaching for the Lynchburg Mets in the summer of 1986.
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Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I would guess I had the most notable Met birth game, with a couple of [CROSSOUT]very [/CROSSOUT]rare things: --Dick Rusteck[CROSSOUT] pitched a 1-hitter.[/CROSSOUT] (it was a 4-hitter). It was his only MLB victory. --Ed Broussaud hit 2 home runs Mets beat the Reds, 5-0 Dick Rusteck, Grover Powell, and Dennis Musgraves were the Pulsipher/Wilson/Isringhausen of my youth. (It's "Bressoud" btw.)
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And with that said, I wonder if we could assemble a team of folks who started as Mets farmhands but the organization let slip through its fingers, allowing them to bounce around the minors for a while and find stardom with the team that people assume first had them. F'rinstance, Paul Blair started out as a Met, a teammate of Cleon Jones in the minors in 1962 or 1963, and the Orioles took a flier on him. Any other nominees?
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I mean, if it's really that tough to keep from blabbing the correct answer, or restrain yourself in showing off that you know something, or had the research knowledge required to look it up, you could still do it, for a day or two, by writing something like "I know this one--I was a fan of his in the 1970s, and was surprised to find out that he started as a Met"--we will all credit you with being a terrific brain and not a terrific dick.
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I think it might have been sufficient simply to vote for Figueroa rather than detail your special knowledge of the answer, if only to allow your fellow CPForumites to ponder the question for a while. But maybe it was just too urgent an issue for you to restrain your urge to show off your capacious brain immediately.
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I always thought of him as "Stroman the Yeoman," after R. Crumb's fantastic character Shuman the Human . Now that he's moved on to another team, that name seems more appropriate than ever. In fact, we should change the spelling of the phrase "Move On" to "Mo Vaughn," which also seems appropriate to me.
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Here's an odd fact I just came across--I will present it for your entertainment in the form of a trivia question poll. I was surprised to learn who began his career as a Met farmhand, had a pretty spectacular season his first time out (12-5, 2.05 ERA), and was promptly released by the Mets, eventually becoming a star pitcher on the 1970s Yankees. Who?
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I guess the tradition was started by Stengel, but the Mets seem to have a proclivity for hiring ex-Yankee hacks as their manager. Far as I'm concerned when they do that, they're starting at a disadvantage because I already dislike those guys to begin with: Dallas Green and Willie Randolph started out with two strikes against them as far I was concerned, and they never made their way back to "Meh, he's okay, I guess." There's a world full of guys who don't have any Yankee stink on them at all. Why not give one of those billions of guys a chance?
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Maybe This Time: Gil Hodges on Another HOF Ballot
roger_that replied to G-Fafif's topic in New York Mets Talk
What's your point? Mine was that there is an exception to the Dodgers' HOF-only policy, so they could have retired Gil's if they'd wanted to. They didn't. -
Maybe This Time: Gil Hodges on Another HOF Ballot
roger_that replied to G-Fafif's topic in New York Mets Talk
Edgy MD wrote: The Dodgers appear to have a policy of not retiring the number of non-Hall of Famers. Not really. They retired Jim Gilliam's 19. He never had a chance of election to the HOF. -
Maybe This Time: Gil Hodges on Another HOF Ballot
roger_that replied to G-Fafif's topic in New York Mets Talk
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0920/25/gil-hodges-dodgers-vintage-1990s_1_ad40f1c2043adbd27654c517d3bad12c.jpg> https://live.staticflickr.com/7204/7136971743_2bca90fe9a_c.jpg> Gil is the only repeater, which raises the question: does this mean that Scioscia's number 14 will also be retired when Gil's is? I still hold 1988 against Scioscia. -
Maybe This Time: Gil Hodges on Another HOF Ballot
roger_that replied to G-Fafif's topic in New York Mets Talk
About friggen time! This is almost as good a feeling as 1986, and as astonishing as 1969. I've waited a long time for this day. -
Not the Hill I would have chosen to die on.
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Does "non-tendered" mean we've lost him for sure, or could he still re-sign with the Mets?
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According to this https://sny.tv/articles/javier-baez-mets-what-happened?fbclid=IwAR22YLI3Yr8W8AJl4hcxC7L1-cqfJoi6Ha7NdKYPKPI6zsBiaoMVtfepFhAhttps://sny.tv/articles/javier-baez-mets-what-happened?fbclid=IwAR22YLI3Yr8W8AJl4hcxC7L1-cqfJoi6Ha7NdKYPKPI6zsBiaoMVtfepFhA , the Marte deal blew up signing Baez.
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It wasn't a study of one; it was of a whole decade of players, as I recall. But I was inviting you to try the method. You'll find that the vast majority of players show almost no improvement in their OBP past age 25 or so, which is the earliest point that they could show a significant sample size. The figure that sticks in my head is .012 BP points on average, which is a rounding error. Many players post-age 25 OBPs decline, about a quarter to a third, as I recall. I cited Mays as an example because i knew for a fact that his post-age-40 OBP went up, but there was too much decline built in overall for him to be the counter-example I was expecting him to be. Since I don't have the study handy (it was on some stats site, of which I subscribe to several, and it was at least a year ago), I'll have to settle for stating that I think anyone who think Baez is capable of improving his OBP from here on in is thinking wishfully, not realistically.
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One example I can remember is that Willie Mays had a lifetime OBP that was .002 lower than his OBP at age 24, which was odd because Mays had some of his highest OBPs after age 40. I would have expected that his OBP would go up as he aged but it fell a bit.
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Don't remember where I saw it, but I think it was so universal you could probably do a quick and dirty study yourself. Just take someone with a full career, and use baseball-reference to compute his OBP after his third full year. Compare that to his career OBP and it will be very close. Almost no one showed significant growth, and that was always when the league OBP went up. Basically, this study showed me that a player's OBP at 25 is his lifetime OBP.
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Frayed Knot wrote: If the OBP jump was real then he would have been worth retaining but I'd hate to bet on the six week (if that) stretch being the real him and the six year track record, the illusion. And I certainly wouldn't want to extend that bet for seven years. I've seen studies of exactly this. Players' OBP rates after their first three full seasons tend to be remarkably stable. Almost without exception, your OBP in season 7 is going to be what it was after season 3, and in season 10 about the same.
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And just to head off the corrections of my misguided point, I understand he has virtues that Rey-Rey never touched. But all in all, what is Baez? A slightly above-average offensive and defensive player. (Comparison to RO here: https://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=baezja01&player_id2=ordonre01&type=bhttps://stathead.com/baseball/player-comparison.cgi?request=1∑=1&player_id1=baezja01&player_id2=ordonre01&type=b ) Rephrased, is it really worth a major contract to lock down an average player entering his 30s?
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Can you really succeed as a .307 OBP guy? I don't see it. That's close to the Ordonez line.
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Can't wait to hear Mex on "Mets to the Max with Max to the Mets." Also on Mex's thoughts on Matz, of course, leaving the Mets while acquiring Max,
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I pee on his OBP. The man can't take a walk.
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"What ya wanna do tonight, Marte?" "I dunno, Frankie. What YA wanna do?" "I dunno. Win a pennant, maybe?" (With apologies to Paddy Chayevsky.)
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I always regret that he hasn't written an account of his days with the Mets (before going to the Angels) whose title parodies Nolan Ryan's autobiography, "Throwing Heat," merely by transposing two letters: Thor Wing Heat
