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Chad Ochoseis wrote: Chad Ochoseis wrote: None. I don't want to have to drop $20 on a new Fafif t-shirt. I was being a minor wiseass here, but I really would vote none. I like that Mets management has been conservative in retiring numbers. It's tough to make a case for retiring 31 but not (ultimately) 15. Both were established stars who came to the Mets mid-career. Both had great careers as Mets, and both spent about the same amount of time as Mets. Both have a good chance of getting into the HOF, and both have a good chance of going in with Mets caps. Both were amazing in the postseason but didn't win rings. Both made the final outs. I remember, i think anyway, when Derek Bell came to the Mets and specifically asked Gooden about wearing 16. That might be the route to go with 24 and 8. (hint, d'Arnaud, hint..) Have them ask permission, feed them a line about idolizing them or something. Give it to a top ranked guy like that and I think it'd be hard to say no, and you break the ice. then even if they suck you've broken the seal and can give it to the next schlub you call up.

Edgy MD wrote: Which would be kinda stupid, him just standing there alone, punching his glove at third base, waiting for tomorrow's game. nah, Murphy would be there too at second, and willing to take throws at first too.

31 is a given imo. I think a second survey should be conducted as to 14 31 37 41 42 or 14 37 41 31 42 or 14 37 41 42 31 or 14 37 31 41 42 ...

1) 31 2) 15 3) 17 Release all other back into circulation. (the 8, 24, etc)

Really thinking about Beltran, his HOF cap logo should be this: Seriously, his career isn't defined so much by his employers, but by who he chose to employ him. who he formally chose to employ him anyway.

Centerfield wrote: Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer with a handful of rings, played his whole career for one team, and has managed to avoid controversy his entire career despite living in NY. Let's face it, young players should be modeling themselves after him. Well, media perception shapes things, and being swept up in a winner helps. Even the first-ballot thing is subjective and media/writer driven. Piazza's a first-ballot HOFer but played in the steroid era. Why should it be different for Jeter or Rivera? But there are plenty of things to make controversy on if they felt like it. Whether it's gift baskets or tax evasion or how he's shirks the media when he can get away with it, stubbornly insists on where he hits in the lineup and that he can still play SS (contrast with a guy like Beltran who not only offers to move, helps his replacement in the process) and didn't come across as rosy in contract negotiations and is at least partially responsible for the treatment A-Rod gets. The best thing an athlete can do is not be ashamed to be himself, whoever that is. The media will do what they want, but be honest with yourself and your team and it won't manifest into trouble. *shrug* guess that's good advice overall though.

Kong76 wrote: I watched a lot of stuff yesterday with the sound off with him on the pre-game field and he seems cool with his peers. Screw the slants, the twats, and whatever ... and the Bryant Park thing was funny. Go get 'em next start and I hope this doesn't turn into a circus. Well, I'd imagine most top of the line jocks at least slant towards egotistical douche, so.. In fact it's often the guys that seem gentle and quiet that don't fit in.

Gwreck wrote: Ceetar wrote: And it's one of the few things that anger me about how other people are fans. We gave Mike Piazza a curtain call for his SECOND home run of the day against us with the Padres in his return. Carlos Beltran should've gotten at least that honor at the freaking All-Star Game. Just remember - those who turned up to honor Beltran upon his return to New York got a no-hitter as a bonus. good point.

Gwreck wrote: Gwreck wrote: Apparently there was enough booing that Fox turned off the crowd microphones. Is that true? I really hope it is. I guess there were some people there who didn't realize that the game was being played in honor of Mariano Rivera. The booing was for Sweet Caroline, not Rivera. well, both.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ceetar wrote: You're not retiring his number just because he's a Mets legend, but because he's a baseball legend. Oh, that's weak. Why don't we retire Andy Pettitte's number while we're at it? He was good and played baseball. Not a Mets legend. There aren't a lot of them, but when you get all-time greats that play their best years and the most years for your club? Or what? It's all about championships? That's awfully shallow no? It certainly wasn't his fault they didn't win one.

Carlos Beltran is 3rd in (batting) WAR by Baseball-Reference. 4th in Fangraphs (Jose jumps him) Sure, you could make the case that he wasn't a much more successful Met than Jose or Fonzie, but the Hall of Fame thing takes that to another level imo. You're not retiring his number just because he's a Mets legend, but because he's a baseball legend. Alfonzo is not. Reyes, well, is active. so is Wright. Strawberry (and Gooden) are always straddling that line it seems. You could certainly retire those, but those are mostly past decisions. I think eventually 17 will get retired bolstered by the added value on the broadcast team. But it's not just that Beltran was the Mets best center fielder, he was probably the best in the game during the last decade. He's 8th in WAR among center fielders...that's All-Time. (at least half the games there) Mays, Cobb, Speaker, Mantle, Griffey, DiMaggio, Lofton, Beltran, Snider, Ashburn Oh, and btw, he's not done yet. He'll probably pass Lofton by the time this season is over. WAR tries to take into account defense and speed, but he's 29 all-time by OPS+ which ain't bad certainly. Oh, and he's one of the best base stealers ever. He's one of only 8 guys to hit 300 HR and steal 300 bases. He's the greatest postseason hitter ever. I mean, the guy's a legend that played more time with the Mets than any other team and gave them his best years. What exactly does a guy need to do to get his number retired around here?

wait what, where'd this come from? Uncalled for! Still on a rookie contract, he knows he may soon have to renegotiate with the team for a long-term deal (online sportswriters speculate he could get a seven-year, $70 million deal). The Mets, of course, would be insane to let him go � but the Mets are the Mets, so anything can happen Read more: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/matt-harvey-young-gun-in-the-big-city-20130715?page=2#ixzz2ZLFrL5wW Follow us: @mensjournal on Twitter | MensJournal on Facebook

via MetsPolice http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/matt-harvey-young-gun-in-the-big-city-20130715 Harvey lives in a bachelor pad in the East Village, a downtown neighborhood known for its raucous bar scene, which he indulges in on occasion. "I'm young, I'm single," he says. "I want to be in the mix." Read more: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/matt-harvey-young-gun-in-the-big-city-20130715#ixzz2ZLDSNVgX Follow us: @mensjournal on Twitter | MensJournal on Facebook He may not quite be a freewheeling Joe Namath sporting a mink coat on the sidelines � at least not yet � but Harvey represents a welcome shift from, say, Derek Jeter, who has managed to dominate New York sports without ever displaying evidence of a personality Read more: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/matt-harvey-young-gun-in-the-big-city-20130715#ixzz2ZLDZpt6Y Follow us: @mensjournal on Twitter | MensJournal on Facebook This quote is Seaveresque no? Maybe a little more tepid. "I love the idea of coming into a struggling franchise and seeing if I can help them win," he says. "First off, I hate to lose. At anything. Secondly, who doesn't want to be the guy to help turn something around?" Read more: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/matt-harvey-young-gun-in-the-big-city-20130715#ixzz2ZLEbR9eZ Follow us: @mensjournal on Twitter | MensJournal on Facebook

Edgy MD wrote: Not if we don't stay on him and constantly remind him that Jeter is an appropriate role model only for self involved tools of the highest order. Next time he's soliciting advice in Bryant Park I'll have to let him know.

He's a douche, but hey, he's our douche. It seems like you say the same about Seaver in some respects no? I mean, Jeter's a douche too, and that's fine, I suspect Harvey will be a little classier than having his friends sneak him girls up to his place and then give them gift baskets for their trouble.

This helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascot_race the Rays are the Pepsi race (Tropicana is Pepsi I guess)

themetfairy wrote: The only things missing were a pierogie and one of those weird aquatic things from Miami. taco bell packet too right? and a groundscrew member half-assing YMCA. I think my video has audio with the introductions, but I may have missed that part.

Want to see the whole race? Don't know if someone got a better video, but here it is straight from the back of section 530. https://picasaweb.google.com/104855267982232479692/ParadeAndAll0StarGame?authkey=Gv1sRgCNjaovqDs-LXBw#5901604965864705218

Edgy MD wrote: Jay Horwitz ?@Jay_HorwitzPR 3m Fans at Thursday's Binghamton game at New Britain will be in for a treat. Justin Turner will sing "Call Me Maybe" with Carly Rue Jepsen. wonder if that's true. That'd be funny. The real joke would've been "Don't worry, he can't be worse at singing than she is at baseball" and show her first pitch .gif.

metirish wrote: Nice writeup too...interesting because on the telly is sounded like Beltran got a great hand....at the Futures game they did the same thing with the trivia, the answer was Strawberry and he greeted the winner.....very cool....yes, Wainwirght took the boos for what they were, a bit of fun..... Of course, isn't booing Wainwright and Molina about the greatest respect you can give them? It's a "You faced us and won, and we hate you for it." Booing them is a nod of respect for their part in it. I'm glad they get it, since not everyone does. It's where the grudging respect for Chipper Jones I have comes from, he got into the rivalry and that's what makes the rivalries fun. Some pictures? Kershaw Matt Carpenter Joey Votto and Allen Craig Freddie Freeman Bryce Harper Tried to catch Scherzer's eyes, didn't. Joe Nathan rides alone

Centerfield wrote: Great pics! All I've got is my goofy-ass son and his best friend. But goofy-ass kids are what it's all about!

Edgy MD wrote: I think the point is that the logo on the hat doesn't mean he "goes in as" a Royal or Met or Giant or Cardinal or Orix Buffalo at all. It's a just a bronze snapshot, imperfectly representative of his career. It doesn't mean his name is forever linked in Heaven exclusively to that employer alone. sure, but I think the Mets might see it that way. Alex Anthony gave the nice pause for emphasis before announcing Beltran but no one really took the hint. Mets � Willets Point wrote: Reissuing a uniform number does not preclude it from being retired. For example, Ray Borque wore the number 7 for the Bruins until the day it was retired for Phil Esposito. Borque handing over the jersey was part of the retirement ceremony. who knows, Maybe the Mets sign him up again! I'm just over-analyzing the Mets thought process regarding it. They obviously didn't re-issue 31 and you think someone, somewhere, would have the thought "Hey, we've got plenty of numbers and Carlos Beltran is one of the best Mets ever..maybe hold it a bit while we mull it over." This is premature, but when Beltran does retire which is probably a couple of years away, if d'Arnaud is awesome are you going to take it away from him? Will he give it up ala John Franco?

Frayed Knot wrote: A player gets elected for the totality of his career and not just a specific portion of it. If the hat on the plaque (and really that's all this is about) shows a KC logo as opposed to a NYM one it doesn't mean he was any less a Met or that he'd be any more of one if we reverse the case. I'm just concerned, hell they've already re-issued it, that the Mets themselves won't honor him properly if/when he does get in. They should retire 15 and given history it seems the only real shot of that is if he goes in as a Met. So much of it's perception though. And it's one of the few things that anger me about how other people are fans. We gave Mike Piazza a curtain call for his SECOND home run of the day against us with the Padres in his return. Carlos Beltran should've gotten at least that honor at the freaking All-Star Game.

It's almost like people/writers don't understand that part of the reason I, and others, hate Mariano (Besides the no way MY guy did steroids during the steroid era stuff) is the overly flowery worship crap and the telling me I MUST worship him or I'm an idiot and stupid fan stuff. Nope, not true. And that's sports, and part of what makes competition fun. He's not royalty, he's just another player. The Emperor, may he life for ever, honorifics get tiresome. Honor him if you want, that's fine. I personally think it was overdone. If we're actually playing a game here you don't need to take the 3 minutes to worship him before he starts warming up. That's what announcements and warmup pitches are for. I continued to boo him. That's what you do to the enemy.