metirish wrote: Dibble is a fool , that we know. What about the Nolan Ryan's out there , is his philosophy all that different than Dibble's? I am probably being unfair to Ryan, but is he trying to get his org to have pitchers go deeper, stop caressing them etc? Nolan Ryan has his own way of developing arms. He believes in a helluva lot of long tossing and would prefer a four man rotation. Will this work? It used to. Strasburg, terrible horrid luck. All the money paid him is just a balm. Dibble? Consider the source I guess.