Vic Sage wrote: the Mets were better with him than without him in the years immediately preceding and following his Mets manageriacy. And he won us a pennant. and before all that, he did better with Texas than was either expected or justified by the team's talent. which could be said of the Mets as well. and i'd bet (but do not know) he did well in Japan, too. Whatever happened in Beantown, i blame the players. Apparently the owner did too as he shipped half of them out of town for a sack of magic beans. But Bobby is a whipping boy for the media (cuz he's smarter than them and he lets them know it), so he's demonized. Hell, for all i know about it, he deserved it this time. But he didn't deserve it here and i wished he'd outlasted Steve (I'll fuck the cleaning lady now, thanks) Phillips and the Wilpons. I hadn't realized that had become part of Phillips' name. and i'd bet (but do not know) he did well in Japan, too His teams went 494-460-23 (.518) with one Japan championship that became a pan-Asian championship when his Marines beat the Korean League champs. (He challenged Ozzie Guillen to put his US champ White Sox forward but the challenge unsurprisingly wasn't taken very seriously.) He was ousted after a smear campaign by the Chiba Lotte ownership but the fans took his side overwhelmingly. Here's the thing --- when you're taking the side of the cock-jock sports radio host, it's a good time reconsider your feelings. And the weeny position of "Hey, don't get mad at me --- I'm just repeating some baldfacedly bullshit backpage thing I read in the tabloids" is real real weak. And to repeat, Valentine doesn't go ape here. He responds to a strong accusation strongly.