Edgy MD

In the great scheme of things, Trachs was certainly above average.

Marathon, our in-house mathematical idiot savant, forgets that we square the ranking --- his own innovation.

Yeah, thanks to Frayed Knot and Yancy for getting this done, plus the rankers, who know who they are.

Whoah, wait. Now that there's a movie coming out, increasing the exposure and increasing the demand... ebay, baby!

Amazin'. I didn't grow up on Marvel. But if I did... a freak like that... amazin'.

Where are you opening night of Ghost Rider?

That's always a philosophical question that is hard to apply mathmatically --- what's the season worth compared to the post-season. Pretend it's a four-division format, like 1986. The Mets win their division, they've established themselves as the champion among six teams. If they beat Houston in the LCS, that doubles, and they're the champion of 12 teams. So philosophically, it can be argued, the LCS, seven games though it may be, carries, in itself, the weight of a full season. And the World Series the weight of both of those. (More, perhaps, in 1986, as the champion of a 12-team league beat the champion of a 14-team league.) I'm not marrying that one. I'm just taking it out for a walk. I'm not really ready to state that Ray Knight's World Series MVP is worth as much as a season MVP --- and should be counted in his otherwise humble Hall of Fame candidacy --- although it's not unthinkable either.

Falling twice, huh? Ghost Rider looks slick, but then I hear the cliched "Oooh! Ahhh!" soundtrack and see Nicholas Cage and I think "Maybe not."

I messed up everybody by grabbing too many columns in my sort.

Yeah, I messed up sorting and royally messed up Monk's list. I'll try again.

Nothing personal.

This is what I've got. We're pretty set up top. I've included standard deviations to indicate which guys we have strong disagreement on. As is typical, they frequently include guys with partial seasons (Martinez, Sanchez) and guys who performed well in lower-profile roles (Feliciano, Oliver). There's more consensus on the batters. Anybody who has an SD over 3.5 is worth reviewing. I haven't posted a list, but I think I have a place in my heart for Dave Williams. RankTransMonkVic Sageseawolf17valadiusFrayed KnotNymr83Johnny DickshotRankConsensusAverageHighLowSD30BeltranBeltranReyesBeltranBeltranBeltranBeltran30Beltran29.8630290.3829ReyesReyesBeltranReyesReyesReyesReyes29Reyes29.1430290.3828WrightWrightDelgadoDelgadoWrightWrightWright28Wright27.7128270.4927DelgadoDelgadoWrightWrightDelgadoDelgadoDelgado27Delgado27.2928270.4926GlavineWagnerGlavineLoDucaWagnerLoDucaWagner26Glavine25.7126250.4925LoDucaGlavineLoDucaGlavineGlavineGlavineGlavine25LoDuca24.8626240.9024WagnerMaineOliverChavezHeilmanChavezBradford24Wagner23.8625211.4623ValentinChavezFelicianoNadySanchezHeilmanChavez23Valentin21.5724191.9022HeilmanHeilmanO. HernandezMaineValentinMartinezValentin22Heilman19.5722171.7221MaineNadyMaineTrachselChavezNadyNady21Maine18.8622153.1320MartinezO. HernandezMartinezFloydFloydSanchezMartinez20Martinez18.5723144.3919ChavezSanchezChavezOliverFelicianoBradfordO. Hernandez19Chavez18.1421152.4818FelicianoLoDucaWagnerWagnerLoDucaValentinLoDuca18Feliciano17.5724124.4317SanchezMartinezValentinValentinMartinezWagnerSanchez17Sanchez17.5723114.4716BradfordFelicianoSanchezHeilmanBradfordFloydMaine16Bradford17.1421132.4115O. HernandezValentinHeilmanMartinezMaineMaineFeliciano15O. Hernandez17.0022113.7014OliverBradfordBradfordO. HernandezO. HernandezOliverHeilman14Oliver15.2921104.0713NadyMotaNadyFelicianoTrachselTrachselFloyd13Nady14.4319122.4412FloydTrachselFloydSanchezOliverO. HernandezTrachsel12Floyd12.571792.6411TrachselGreenTrachselBradfordNadyFelicianoOliver11Trachsel12.4315111.4010GreenOliverFrancoFrancoFrancoPerezMota10Green9.711391.509FrancoFloydGreenGreenGreenGreenGreen9Franco8.711071.388MotaPerezMilledgeMotaPerezBannisterFranco8Mota7.001203.967PerezJulioPerezWoodwardWilliamsPelfreyMilledge7Perez6.431032.646BannisterBannisterBannisterMilledgeMilledgeMilledgeR. Hernandez6Bannister5.43841.515MilledgeCastroCastroCastroTuckerTuckerWoodward5Milledge4.71812.214WoodwardMilledgeSolerR. HernandezWoodwardSolerPerez4Woodward3.86712.413SolerTuckerMotaBannisterBannisterCastroTucker3Soler2.57602.762CastroFrancoWoodwardPerezMotaFrancoBannister2Castro2.29702.431R. HernandezWoodwardTuckerSolerCastroWoodwardJulio1R. Hernandez1.86602.61 Tucker1.71401.70 Julio0.71301.25 Pelfrey0.43301.13 Williams0.43301.13Left OutTucker, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsSoler, R. Hernandez, Pelfrey, WilliamsR. Hernandez, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsTucker, Julio, Pelfrey, WilliamsSoler, R. Hernandez, Julio, PelfreyMota, R. Hernandez, Julio, WilliamsCastro, Soler, Pelfrey, Williams

Frayed Knot wrote: Wagner - I'm convinced now that no one will ever like the closer, but Wagner had a lower ERA, lower WHiP, Higher K/9, plus a lower BAA & SLGA than any of the other relievers all while usually working the money inning(s) He blew a game against the Yankees! Chyuh! I'm looking at the rankings of our catchers not named LoDuca and it strikes me that we would have been lost if Paulie had gotten injured.

No thread left, but here are the results. 2003 RankingsPOINTSPLAYER30Mike Cameron29Tom Glavine28Al Leiter27Mike Piazza26Kazuo Matsui25Braden Looper24Cliff Floyd23Steve Trachsel22David Wright21Ty Wigginton20Richard Hidalgo19Ricky Bottalico18Eric Valent17Mike Stanton16Jae Weong Seo15Jason Phillips14Orber Moreno13Todd Zeile12Kris Benson11Shane Spencer10Jose Reyes9Matt Ginter8Vance Wilson7Mike DeJean6Wilson Delgado5Danny Garcia4Dan Wheeler3David Weathers2Heath Bell1Karim Garcia

Forum killer.

This is allegedly non-scripted, in order to make real Americans look real stupid. Forget about real Kazahkstanis. I think I had my fill of Sasha Baron Cohen in Talladega Nights.

Not a long list of competitors. Nor is it a big departure for Baldwin. Best of Baldwin's monotone thugs? Why not? Shelly was a complex malefactor. Why does Dickshot's post read like it's from Norrin. I agreed with him, by the way. I'm shaking the screen going, "Go to the casino next door and break the bank there, you mook." Anyone believe Joey Fatone's headlining act could turn around the attraction of the casino's theater?

William H. Macy is Charlie, the unluckiest gambler ever, so a mob-run casino has him hired out to go from table to table jinxing people. Alec Baldwin portays the casino manager, trying to keep his place old-school in the face of the Disneyfication of Vegas. Maria Bello is Natalie, the X-factor that may change Charlie's luck.

No, nobody anticipated it. Certainly not me. But it at leasst reflects somewhat well on the Mets, in retrospect, to bring in enough interesting and considered options --- young and old --- that one of them panned out when Matsui didn't. Or maybe it was pure luck, but it reflects really well on Willie that when Valentin asked for his release early in the year, Minaya refused on Willie's advice, and Willie instead told him to get himself ready.

I don't think of this as a career year for Valentin. From 2000-2003, he showed more power with less OBP, but did it playing fulltime did it at shortstop.

Somebody's got a case of the Thursdays.

Post-season counts. Though part of me thinks we shold rate post-season performance seperately, but we never have. but showed up every day and was very consistent. These are nearly the same trait.