AG/DC wrote: Let's use the win expectancy finder. Win-Expectancy data, like leverage, yields its' own particular quirks when applied to save situations. These statistics will credit a closer who preserves a lead without much regard for the quality of the save itself. Consider the following hypotheticals: Pitcher A is brought in to pitch the bottom of the ninth inning with his team ahead 3-0. The pitcher strikes out the only three batters he faces, preserving his team's win and recording a save for himself. The next day, Pitcher B appears in the bottom of the bottom of the ninth with his team coincidentally also ahead by the same score of 3-0. Pitcher B yields Home Runs to the first two batters he faces and then walks the next three batters. Pitcher B remains in the game and strikes out the following three batters, stranding all three baserunners and preserving a 3-2 victory for his team. As you may have figured out by now, the Win-Expectancy points (or leverage data) earned by Pitchers A and B are equal notwithstanding the qualitative disparity in their performances. This is so because the teams in the two examples had the precise same chance of winning at the beginning of the last half inning and also, obviously, after the last out was recorded (a 100% chance of winning). Here, Win-Expectancy data is concerned mainly with the starting and ending points. Of course, there is very little similarity in the character of the two saves just as traveling from NYC to Washington DC is not the same experience whether you're a passenger on Air Force-One or an SRO on an Amtrak train. Now I realize that in 1990, Eckersley and Thigpen weren't throwing many -if any- games like Pitcher B did above. But still, relying on Win-Expectancy (or leverage) data as support for an Eckersley Cy, only seems to magnify the greater amount of influence a starting pitcher exerts over the course of a season.