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I'm extremely relaxed. You just overreact to every post that doesn't agree with yours. And how does this any of this make me a douchebag? I mean, I truly respect your right to revel in the Alex Coras and Eli Marerro's of the Mets. I just don't wanna have to walk on eggshells whenever I dare to disagree. Howie Megdal may have an axe to grind with the Mets, but on the other hand, the truth is always a defense.

Edgy MD wrote: And one more thread turns in to a Fuck the Mets thread. Because the Mets deserve it. But you can orgasm to 30 post threads that deify Charlie Cogwell and his wifey if that makes you happy.

Ceetar wrote: no, because there was NO ONE TO GET for Hairston. Kelly Shoppach maybe? I'm sure we had this argument at the time. I don't believe it's necessarily to dump players off just for any filler minor leaguer with a Power Ball chance of every contributing just because they were out of it. I think the slim chance that Hairston took some sort of hometown discount/quick re-sign 1 year type deal was worth keeping him for. You can read financial conspiracy into everything if you like, but it's equally possible Alderson felt it just wasn't worth trading him, and wasn't worth re-signing him for that price. doesn't make it wrong. Why isn't it worth trading someone that you have no ability to resign? Because the difference between what Hairston wanted and what the Mets said they'd be willing to pay is, in the grand scheme of things ... in the context of baseball team payrolls, negligible. Unless your team is in a fucking financial crisis. Or unless the Wilpons lied to Alderson, or lowered the available money in the middle of the game.

Ceetar wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nice thing to have on the team. If you don't have a Hairston, you need one. That said, I'm not terribly sad that he is moving on. It would be difficult to imagine another 20-HR season in part-time duty, by the same guy, two years in a row. Churn, churn churn these guys. Maybe. Maybe Hairston falls off a bit in 2013. And maybe the Mets did sell (or let go) high. But there's no doubt in my mind that the reason Hairston's no longer a Met has everything to do with the fucking crisis hanging over the franchise and nothing else. The Mets are a fucking embarrasement right now. That doesn't make any sense. if the Mets could spend at will, the first thing they'd do is spend money on guys to make sure Hairston got as little playing time as possible. Especially for 2014. Just because some teams might be able to blow $3-4 million doesn't mean they should. Two different things. Just because the Mets won't (or can't, really) afford to carry a team payroll commensurate with their super duper big market status shouldn't necessarily mean that they also can't afford the extra chump change to pay for Hairston. Plus, the rebuild is half assed. Either break down the team in preparation for 2015 or build to contend. With the former, the Mets at least get a body for Hairston. But instead, we get the same old let's see if we can fool the fans with some snake oil claptrap because the Mets think they can fool enough of the fans into thinking that they're contenders. I'm sure that carrying Hairston during the second half of 2012 was worth millions in attendance and concessions. This is surely coming from the arrogant eff Wilpon and his idiot son, who's probably the de facto GM. Losing Hairston isn't the worst thing that could happen. But again, they could've gotten a body for Scott.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nice thing to have on the team. If you don't have a Hairston, you need one. That said, I'm not terribly sad that he is moving on. It would be difficult to imagine another 20-HR season in part-time duty, by the same guy, two years in a row. Churn, churn churn these guys. Maybe. Maybe Hairston falls off a bit in 2013. And maybe the Mets did sell (or let go) high. But there's no doubt in my mind that the reason Hairston's no longer a Met has everything to do with the fucking crisis hanging over the franchise and nothing else. The Mets are a fucking embarrasement right now.

It's a real good thing that we didn't trade Hairston last season. A real good thing.

Imagery from the only ASG hosted by the Mets, and some other stuff. Johnny Callison sports a NY Mets batting helmet as he scores the winning walk-off Home Run run in the '64 ASG. Blame the Mets for Dickey, but not for All-Star game prices By Howard Megdal 12:27 pm Jan. 9, 2013 Ever since Major League Baseball awarded the 2013 All-Star Game to Citi Field, the New York Mets have been using the possibility of buying tickets to the game, along with the weekend's other events, as a lure for full or partial-season ticket holders to renew, or sign up. This was, mind you, the right to purchase tickets the Mets were trading on, not the tickets themselves. Tuesday afternoon, the reality of how much these tickets would cost began to filter out to ticket plan holders via invoices. And there was a fair amount of sticker shock, along with complaints about the Mets. With prices going up for Mets tickets almost across the board, that was the understandable, easy response. But in this case it was wrong. One plan holder told Adam Rubin that his $36 dollar Promenade Gold seat would cost him $799 for the All-Star weekend events, which include the Home Run Derby, Futures Game, and celebrity softball game along with the All-Star contest itself. Metspolice.com had prices ranging from $453 for Section 538, the furthest section from the action out in left field, to $821 for a Caesar's Club ticket, which is roughly equivalent to Shea Stadium's Mezzanine. But it's worth remember that the Mets aren't actually the beneficiaries of the high prices, which may in any case turn out to be justified by sales. Let's start with who's responsible for the pricing: According to a Mets spokesperson via email, "The host club works with MLB to set the pricing. Revenues go to MLB. Host club reimbursed through those revenues to cover the expenses incurred to put on the events." So yes, the Mets worked with Major League Baseball to set pricing for the tickets. But the Mets don't receive any revenue from ticket sales beyond reimbursement of expenses to put on the event at Citi Field, according to the team. Where the Mets make money is by convincing more people to sign up for season tickets in order to get access to All-Star Game tickets. And how valuable that access is has everything to do with how inexpensive the purchase price is once someone receives that access. If a season-ticket holder receives the right to purchase All-Star Game tickets for $100 apiece, that perk is worth a lot more than the right to purchase those tickets for $1,000 apiece. So while the Mets did not elaborate on the role they played in setting prices, it certainly doesn't seem likely that they pushed to make ticket prices higher. That works directly against their self-interest. The prices are higher than they've been in past years. If Metspolice's price for access in Section 538 is correct, the $453 buy-in price for the worst seat in the house is higher than the $377 to get into Kansas City's events last year. And back in 2008, the last time the game was hosted in New York, an equivalent seat in old Yankee Stadium's bleachers ran $300 for all events. But the prices tend to be higher in New York than in Kansas City. And compared to the rise in ticket prices at New Yankee Stadium and Citi Field since 2008, the increase in All-Star Game prices is relatively modest. (That was also five years ago.) The market will decide just how crazy Major League Baseball is for asking fans to pay these prices for the All-Star Game and related events. If these prices are too high, Stubhub.com and other ticket brokers will ultimately sell them for below face value, the way they so often do with tickets to regular Mets games. If the prices are sufficiently low to produce a sellout, ticket scarcity will mean buying into the game without a season ticket plan, or once non-plan holders buy the remaining stock, will probably require paying a premium. In the meantime, though, it is probably best to separate your outrage over paying $63 dollars, minimum, for an Opening Day game at Citi Field that won't feature R.A. Dickey, and $453 for an All-Star Game that probably will. http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2013/01/7119898/blame-mets-dickey-not-all-star-game-prices

How the Mets ripped off the Yankees and got Pedro Feliciano back, too By Howard Megdal 10:13 am Jan. 22, 2013 The rivalry between the Mets and the Yankees isn't really much of a rivalry. Whether measured by on-field victories, playoff appearances or profit margin, the Yankees have absolutely trounced the Mets over the past few years, by even a greater margin than the historically great gap between the two teams. But chalk one up for the Mets, even if it's a modest one: Pedro Feliciano signed a minor league deal with them Monday, and earned an invitation to spring training. Feliciano was a useful left-handed reliever for the Mets, once Rick Peterson convinced him to start throwing at a three-quarter angle. But the Mets, who had used Feliciano as a lefty complement to Chad Bradford in their high-water season of 2006, came to rely on him more and more. He pitched 78 games in 2007, then an M.L.B.-high and team record 86 games in 2008. Records were meant to be broken, though; Feliciano pitched in 88 games in 2009, and 92 games in 2010. All three were league highs. And for good measure, he pitched in winter ball during all three offseasons, along with the 2009 World Baseball Classic. Following the 2010 season, Feliciano was a free agent. The Mets in no financial position to bring him back, and it didn't make much sense for them to do so. Feliciano was, clearly, a pitcher at or near his sell-by date. He was also the best lefty specialist in baseball, and for the Yankees, worth the risk of a two-year, $8 million contract. The Yankees got a lefty specialist they needed; the Mets got a draft pick as compensation for losing Feliciano. They signed Tim Byrdak, at a fraction of the cost, to take Feliciano's role. (Then they overused Byrdak, too.) That the exchange would be one-sided became clear almost immediately. Feliciano came up hurt in 2011 spring training; immediately, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman complained about the extent to which the Mets had overused Feliciano, as if his pitching record had been some kind of secret. The Mets, to their credit, I guess, also acknowledged overusing Feliciano, and claimed that was the reason they hadn't re-signed him. Feliciano said he'd be fine, and vowed revenge. He never got it; Feliciano hasn't pitched for the past two years in the major leagues, thanks to a damaged shoulder requiring surgery. He attempted to return late last year for the Yankees, but never approached minimally acceptable velocity in minor league rehab stints. Amazingly, despite missing two of the past five seasons, Feliciano ranks 15th among relievers in appearances over that time. So the Mets, with gaping holes in their bullpen, will bring Feliciano in for little money and see if he has anything left. If he does, the Mets can employ a once-elite reliever on the cheap, the only kind of player they can afford these days, and Feliciano can prove himself healthy to earn another big pay day next winter. As for that draft pick the Mets received, they used it on Michael Fulmer, a 6'3", right-handed starting pitcher, who just completed a tremendous season for Single-A Savannah. Fulmer is considered one of the team's brightest prospects. If Feliciano can provide more value to the Mets in 2013, while Fulmer makes the jump to Double-A this season ahead of possibly helping the Mets in 2014, their mugging of the Yankees will be complete. This season, the Yankees stand a good chance of returning to the playoffs, the Mets stand almost none. Mets fans should savor victories of any size, even when they're no bigger than Pedro Feliciano. http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/sports/2013/01/7283802/how-mets-ripped-yankees-and-got-pedro-feliciano-back-too

Great! Someone should go and tell the team seamstress to embroioder another pennant. Is Skip Lockwood also on the market?

Joe Posnanski on Earl Weaver (with a nod to GPrince for the link-to): In 1979, for instance, [Weaver] had ... a a 35-year-old defensive legend named Mark Belanger.... Belanger? Couldn't hit. At all. But could still play a brilliant shortstop. He played 101 games -- but only 40 of them were full games. He started and was pinch-hit for in 14 games. And he came in a defensive replacement in 47 games. It's too bad that 1999 SI cover boy - the uber-feeble Rey Ordonez - didn't receive the Earl Weaver treatment that season. There probably would've been a Subway Series a year before the Subway Series. Instead, the Mets gave the Willie Mays treatment to a scrub that usually couldn't hit the ball past the pitcher's mound even if you spotted him five and a half bounces. Then a year later, the Mets trade a shortstop who would put up MVP caliber numbers over the course of the decade because they preferred their Rey replacement to be more like Rey and less like Ripken. On small ball: "If you play for one run, that's all you'll get." Playing against Weaver's Birds almost 20 times a season obviously didn't rub off even a smidgen on Wee Willie Small Balls. Otherwise, the Mets probably make the playoffs three straight years. His teams finished first or second 12 times in his 15 years as manager of the Orioles (not counting the ill advised year and a half when he returned in the mid-1980s). In 1979, for instance, he had a 34-year-old Pat Kelly, who had kicked around for a decade, who was on his fourth team, who was about at the end. He also had a 32-year-old John Lowenstein, who had also kicked around for about a decade and had only been an everyday player once... a 28-year-old Benny Ayala and so on. Well, here's what he knew about Pat Kelly: Guy can hit with power against right-handed pitchers. So, he gave Kelly 177 plate-appearances -- 164 of them against righties -- and the guy banged nine homers and slugged .536 for him. Lowenstein? Crushes righties. He got 215 of his 232 plate appearances against righties and he hit 11 homers and slugged. 500. Ayala? He could hit lefties pretty well. He had 85 of his 94 plate appearances against lefties and slugged .513.... This gets at the heart of Weaver -- he didn't care what the player looked like or, more to the point, he did not let a players' weaknesses define him. The player is the player. The manager is the one who has to figure out how to get the most out of his. The 1979 Orioles went to the World Series. Earl woulda batted Magadan leadoff. http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/41037246/

Greatest manager that ever managed in my lifetime as a baseball fan. (Though he couldn't beat the Metsies). R.I.P.

Swan Swan H wrote: Edgy MD wrote: Phillies resign Bastardo, their only arbitrant. Yes, I coined that word just now. You didn't coin 'bastardo.' I'm certain I heard it in the gag reel for The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Muy funnyo, se�or Swan. �Alquien dijo Headley?

Did somebody say Headley?

Brief overview of Mets books that have come out in the past couple of years, and upcoming releases. From Rogers' link: July 10th [2012] saw the release of a tome that Amazon doesn�t have the product image of. It�s the first volume of Meeting The Mets: A Quirky History of a Quirky Team by a Ph.D. Thomas A. Droleskey. It appears to cover 1962-1986 with more volumes to come. ________________________ And from a Droleskey web-piece, Excerpt: "Indeed, I went to 1,601 major league baseball games from July 15, 1962, through the last and most regrettable game of the 2000 World Series on October 26, 2000. Baseball and the Mets are in my blood. Mind you, I do not live for the sport. I have lived quite well without it during players� strikers and owner lockouts. But it has been a great diversion. And as is somewhat well-known, at least in baseball circles, in 1976 I helped revive the tradition of the baseball novelty figure, the fan who dresses up to entertain other fans. My adoption of the persona of The Lone Ranger of Shea Stadium added another dimension to my following of baseball and the Mets. The act, originally meant to be nothing more than a one-day lark, turned into a bit of an institution at Shea and became something that many fans expected and looked forward to during the games. However, all things in this passing world must come to an end. I still love baseball. I will be a fan of the New York Mets until I die. But facts are facts. Although the good people who staff the Mets� ticket office have been most kind and gracious to me over the years, ticket prices are getting out of hand. The wonderful season seat I have had since 1994 is going to cost $60 a game for the 2001 season. That�s a total of $4,860 for the 81 home games, not including an additional $567 for the right to find a parking space for my car when I attend the games. And none of that includes the expense of gasoline to get to and from the Big Shea, as the ball park in Flushing Meadows is called now and then. All of that is a lot of money for a man who does not make a lot of money. Moreover, the full complement of post-season tickets a few months ago cost more than $1,800, payable in September. Enough. Uncle. It�s over. I�m out of the ball game. Most of the people who own the seats around me are very wealthy people. The two seats immediately adjacent to the one I have had for the past seven seasons are owned by the agent for the singer Billy Joel. Wall Street financiers own most of the other seats in the area of my season seat. Those people can afford the increases that have occurred in the past few years. In 1994, when I had the chance to grab my season seat owing to the poor season the Mets had suffered through in 1993, it cost $14 a game. That rose to $17 a game by 1996 before skyrocketing to $25 in 1997, $35 in 1998, $45 in 1999, and $54 in 2000. I am being asked to help subsidize the millions of dollars paid out to athletes to play a game. Enough is enough. *** When push comes to shove, baseball salaries are out of control. Baseball clubs are catering to the big-money people who can afford the increased admission costs mandated by ever-escalating salaries. Major League Baseball, the entity that runs the game, caters to the demands of the TV networks that televise the games, starting night World Series games as late as 8:30 p.m. so that they run well after midnight in most cases. The fan in the stands is simply window dressing for the TV cameras. The fan�s convenience (and the needs of those watching at home to go to bed at a reasonable hour) means nothing to the scions of baseball. (By the way, I�ve crossed swords with the head of Major League Baseball, Commissioner Allan H. �Bud� Selig, on the matter of the double standard applied to Ted Turner�s anti-Catholicism vis-a-vis the allegations of insensitivity made against former Cincinnati Reds owner Marge Schott.) The game itself retains its charm and its beauty. As far as I am concerned there is nothing else like it. But the greed of both the owners and the players has reached a point where average people who work hard for their living are being priced out of the game. Mind you, there is no such thing as a free ride. You get what you earn in life. I simply don�t earn enough to warrant spending money I don�t have on a game that is run by billionaires and played by millionaires. It�s time for me to take myself out of the ball game." http://www.griffnews.com/droleskey/010222.shtml and FNDoSfyEb0g

Pedro's lifetime WHIP is 5th best all time, and the best among starters since WWI. The last time a starting pitcher that would finish with a career WHIP better than Pedro's would take the mound was almost 100 years ago (Ed Walsh, 1917). There is one reliever (not retired) with a better career WHIP than Pedro's.

Randy Jones? I think you meant: Jones rounds out the list of close but no cigar career WHIP Mets. But this quiz is over. Last night, with three remaining top 15 WHIPsters to go (Scott, Candelaria and Pena) when MFS62 logged on, MFS62 nailed all three without erring. I didn't give him credit for Scott because Chad86 snuck in and beat him to Scott by a few minutes, but still, some impressive guesswork by MFS62. Alejandro Pena. Who would've known? Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. John Candelaria 1.1862 (MFS62) 7. Ralph Terry 1.1864 (G-Fafif) 8. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 9. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 10. Mike Scott 1.2013 (chad86) 11. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 12. Alejandro Pena 1.2197 (MFS62) 13. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 14. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 15. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) Bad WHIP 16. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) 17. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Randy Jones 1.2509 (metsguy) 19. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 20T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 20T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 22. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Orel Hershiser 1.2606 (Ceetar) 24. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 25. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 26. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Octavio Dotel (Gwreck) R.A. Dickey (Ceetar) Gwreck wrote: Dotel would make the list (1.229 career WHIP) but he's 53.2 innings short of the 1000 minimum. The chronically unloved Armando Benitez's career 1.217 WHIP would place him in 12th place on this list but for his lack of enough IP's, too. G-Fafif wrote: Ralph Terry already guessed and rejected...but it might need to be checked again. I recall acknowledging Terry's name on the master bb-ref list when I was creating this quiz. But I had a momentary lapse though, forgetting that the before my time Terry was once a Met. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go and be young.

This quiz is so tough, why it even stumped me, the quizmaster. 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. John Candelaria 1.1862 (MFS62) 7. Ralph Terry 1.1864 (G-Fafif) 8. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 9. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 10. Mike Scott 1.2013 (chad86) 11. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 12. 13. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 14. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 15. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) Bad WHIP 16. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) 17. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 19. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 20T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 20T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 22. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Orel Hershiser 1.2606 (Ceetar) 24. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 25. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 26. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Octavio Dotel (Gwreck) R.A. Dickey (Ceetar)

This quiz is so tough, why it even stumped me, the quizmaster. 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. 7. Ralph Terry 1.1864 (G-Fafif) 8. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 9. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 10. Mike Scott 1.2013 (chad86) 11. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 12. 13. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 14. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 15. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) Bad WHIP 16. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) 17. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 19. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 20T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 20T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 22. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Orel Hershiser 1.2606 (Ceetar) 24. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 25. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 26. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Octavio Dotel (Gwreck) R.A. Dickey (Ceetar)

G-Fafif wrote: Ralph Terry already guessed and rejected...but it might need to be checked again. I'm on it.

3 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. 7. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 8. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 9. 10. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 11. 12. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 13. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 14. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) 15. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) Bad WHIP 16. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 19T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 19T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 21. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 22. Orel Hershiser 1.2606 (Ceetar) 23. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 24. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 25. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Ralph Terry (G-Fafif) Octavio Dotel (Gwreck)

3 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. 7. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 8. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 9. 10. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 11. 12. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 13. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 14. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) 15. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) Bad WHIP 16. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 19T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 19T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 21. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 22. Orel Hershiser 1.2606 (Ceetar) 23. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 24. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 25. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Ralph Terry (G-Fafif)

3 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. 7. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 8. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 9. 10. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 11. 12. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 13. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 14. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) 15. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) Bad WHIP 16. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 19T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 19T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 21. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 24. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 25. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif) Ralph Terry (G-Fafif)

3 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 6. 7. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 8. Jeff Reardon 1.1993 (dino jesus) 9. 10. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 11. 12. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 13. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 14. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) 15. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) Bad WHIP 16. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 19T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 19T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 21. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 24. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 25. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif)

4 3 2 1 Good WHIP 1. Pedro Martinez 1.0544 (LWFS) 5th all-time 2. Tom Seaver 1.1208 3. Johan Santana 1.1320 (LWFS) 4. Bret Saberhagen 1.1406 (Swan) 5. El Sid 1.1493 (LWFS) 7. Warren Spahn 1.1946 (LWFS) 10. Dean Chance 1.2122 (dino jesus) 12. Rick Reed 1.2202 (G-Fafif) 13. Rick Aguilera 1.2266 (Gwreck) 14. Mickey Lolich 1.2272 (smg58) 15. Jon Matlack 1.2332 (LWFS) Bad WHIP 16. Nolan Ryan 1.2473 (irish) 18. Tug McGraw 1.2544 (LWFS) 19T. David Cone 1.2561 (LWFS) 19T. Dwight Gooden 1.2561 (Gwreck) 21. Jerry Koosman 1.2588 (Ash) 23. Don Cardwell 1.2624 (Ash) 24. Orlando Hernandez 1.2627 (G-Fafif) 25. Jesse O-Rice-Co 1.263 (LWFS) Dick Selma (Ash) Gary Gentry (Ash) Billy Wagner (Chad86) Craig Swan (Vic Sage) Al Leiter (Chad86) Steve Trachsel (irish) Mike Pelfrey (irish) Ron Darling (irish) Bobby Jones (DocTee) Bob Ojeda (irish) Tom Glavine (irish) Frank Viola (smg58) Armando Benitez (G-Fafif)