http://archives.cranepoolforum.net/16800/f1_t16800.shtml Wow. What a clusterfuck that thread was. No wonder attgig ain't here anymore. Good Lord, this. Who wantsa rev this one up all over again? It's two years later and Ryan Braun is about the most disgraced player in baseball. Not that this has anything to do with Jose's honor, of course. But does anyone here really think that on the last day of the season, a 25-games-out team's 78th win matters more to a player than his own chance to win his league's batting title? Ya think that players risk their health, their careers and their personal reputations by shooting god know what up their asses all so that their team might win a few more games in a season? Ya think that if he could, Tom Seaver would trade his career for Jim McAndrew's in exchange for another WS ring or two? I'd bet that Seaver wouldn't even wanna trade his career for Jerry Koosman's. "First you make the money, then you get the rings".