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"Ball My Ass: What I'd Say To Roger Clemens And Nobody Else"

"If At First...Fail Miserably So They'll Let You Catch"

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Jimmy's page frees up on February 12. I see a Mets fan has Chase Utley's page. Utley's sponsor lacked prescience, but had good intentions.

="Benjamin Grimm":3prysgfg]I don't want to stir up an ugly intramural competition, but GFafif should also throw his hat in the ring.[/quote:3prysgfg] Thanks, but first I have to finish my "as told to myself" thing. After I stop being Richie Hebner. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 10:23 AM Former Pitchers Leading Today's Brogna News: Hideo Nomo, teaching the forkball to young buffalos. Frank Viola, getting into the analyst game. Tom Seaver, advising the youth of today and liquoring up Tommy Davis. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2008 10:41 AM Read also where Leiter was joining the staff at MLB-TV. I guess that means he's leaving the NO! network. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 08:14 AM So, if you're like me, you grew sick of stories of Lenny Dykstra, swinging finance trader, about two paragraphs into the first one, but now the angle isn't that he's just another player, but that he's actually flourishing during these hard times. The claim is that he's 82-0 in stock picks endorsed in his newsletter. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 01:36 PM Rick Sweet returning as manager of the Louisville Bats. Local favorite Roger Mason joins the Traverse City Beach Bums as pitching coach. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2008 01:38 PM Ron Gardenhire gets an extension. Leiter btw, will still work for Al-Yankazeera. Reynolds tho is out at SNY, raising speculation that Bobby Ojeda is on his way in. I think I speak for everyone ever by saying it would be nice to mix a 73er or 99-00er in there. TransMonk Nov 13 2008 01:42 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1jn4n2h7]I think I speak for everyone ever by saying it would be nice to mix a 73er or 99-00er in there.[/quote:1jn4n2h7] Didn't Zeile get a shot once? Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2008 01:44 PM I was thinking a 69er: Ron Swoboda. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 05:02 PM Sam Perlozzo joins the Phils. Bang. metsguyinmichigan Nov 13 2008 11:01 PM ="Edgy DC":828l4i24]Rick Sweet returning as manager of the Louisville Bats. Local favorite Roger Mason joins the Traverse City Beach Bums as pitching coach.[/quote:828l4i24] Traverse City is a beautiful resort area about two hours north of me. The team is fairly new, and plays in an independent league. We used to play in an all-newspaper softball tournament in Traverse, and it was fun until the Detroit News took it over and started stacking its team with ringers who didn't work for the paper. Cads! I'll have to head up this summer and see a game and talk to Mason! Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 10:19 AM Holy Foli, Batman, it's Sammy Drake! In a Mets hat! An old friendship, forged 50 years ago, is rekindled AUGUSTA -- It was the New York Mets cap on his head. This being Red Sox country, people had to stop the athletic, older man this week and ask. "What's up with the hat?" That's when C. Wayne Mitchell glanced at his guest and stepped in. "This is Sammy Drake. Don't you know who he is?" No one did, to the amusement of both men. "He's an original member of the Mets," Mitchell would tell them. "He's my friend." It's a friendship forged nearly 50 years ago, interrupted by decades of separation and searching by Mitchell and resumed about four years ago. Mitchell's family, aware of his wish to reconnect, trolled the Internet, finding Drake at a Mets reunion in New Jersey. Sunday, Drake came to Mitchell's home in Sidney for a four-day visit. They laughed and joked and marveled again at the strength of a relationship neither fully understood when it began on a hot U.S. Army base in the deep south at a time when full integration was still a dream. Drake was a draftee from Little Rock, Ark. trying to keep alive his dream of playing major league baseball while he was serving his country. Mitchell was the 7-year-old son of a career soldier returned from duty in Germany and new to the Georgia base. That summer, the young boy discovered the Fort Gordon Rams and a young, talented infielder who asked Mitchell if he wanted to be the bat boy. "I could see he was interested in baseball," said Drake during lunch at a local restaurant Wednesday. Drake remembered when he fell in love with the game. The two played catch. Sometimes, Mitchell would go the base recreation center where Drake worked. They were so different in age and in race. Then, Mitchell was too young to understand what it meant to be a young black adult in Georgia. Drake, of course, did. A year or two after meeting, Mitchell's father was transferred to Taiwan. Mitchell got a baseball glove, a bat, a handshake, and much later, when he could fully understand, an outlook on life. "Of all the hello's and good-bye's, his was the one I remember most," said Mitchell, while Drake nodded. "I knew a thank-you would be in order." Mitchell's story to this point became a column I wrote four years ago. Then, I couldn't reach Drake who had returned to his home in Los Angeles. Wednesday, at lunch, I introduced myself. Meeting Mitchell wasn't a coincidence, Drake said. There was a reason that maybe still isn't clear 50 years later. Drake was surprised, but not stunned when Mitchell walked up to his table at the hotel where the Mets reunion and autograph session took place. He's met a lot of people in his 74 years and has usually found the goodness in them, even under trying circumstances. "At first I thought he as a typical fan," Drake said. "When he started talking about Fort Gordon I knew right away." Drake can't say he thought about Mitchell much over the years. Neither did he forget the young bat boy who would go to the gym to fold towels and stay out of the way of the soldiers.� "He would get picked on by the ballplayers a little bit. It was all in fun, but I could see it bothered him. I'd say, come with me. Let's play catch." Drake signed with the Chicago Cubs for $1,500 and was later assigned to Macon, Ga. to play for Pepper Martin in the so-called Sally League. He was the first African-American to play in the league he says. The most hurtful part of that season? "Not being able to sleep in the same hotels with my teammates. Not being able to eat with them. I could get carry-out or go across the river to a (black-owned restaurant.)" In the next breath, Drake tells of Martin's effort to get him seated with the team at a restaurant in Indiana. Martin, nicknamed the Wild Horse of the Osage, was a third baseman for the St. Louis Cardinals' "Gashouse Gang" in the 1930s and colorblind. Drake remembers one of his first trips to spring training with the Cubs after his two years in the Army. He was one of three black ballplayers in a group of 50 minor leaguers were assigned to a barracks-style building. "Every night I would pray. They must have thought I was from another planet. "But I had a good spring training. When camp broke, everyone was on their knees praying but two." Monday, Mitchell and Drake had breakfast with Roger Katz, the mayor of Augusta and a baseball fan. Katz invited Drake to speak to the city council that night. He told the story of a Cubs tryout he attended in Winnipeg, Manitoba and the sore arm he had. He couldn't throw across the infield. Discouraged, he called the grandmother who raised him. Don't worry, he was told. She would pray for him. "We had a big snowstorm," said Drake smiling. "We couldn't use the field for two weeks. I soaked my arm in the bath tub every day. I was ready." The Mets drafted him off the Cubs roster. His two-year, major league career was the proverbial cup of coffee. In 53 games he hit .153. His older brother, Solly, played parts of three seasons with the Cubs, Phillies and Dodgers. Together, they were the first African-American brothers to play major league baseball. Early Thursday morning, Drake said good-bye to Mitchell and his wife, Bonnie, and began his trip back to Los Angeles. A graduate of Philander Smith College in Little Rock, he's a retired investigator for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. He teaches Sunday School at the Greater Ebenezer Missionary Baptist Church, where his brother, the Rev. Dr. Solomon Drake, is pastor to a 6,000-member congregation. They've listened to the story of how a young white boy and a young black adult became lasting friends. It shouldn't be forgotten. Edgy DC Nov 19 2008 10:38 AM Jack Aker, out of work and vulnerable like the rest of us. This old ballplayer understands life better than most by Rabbi Ben Kamin, Spiritual Life Examiner Jack Aker, a name known to aficionados of the national pastime, is something of a legend. But if his baseball card could talk, you�d hear a lot more than breezy play-by-play. Here�s a guy who made more appearances (495) as a relief pitcher than anybody in his time, but found himself taken out of the game quite before he expected. Like anybody suddenly not doing the thing we�ve been doing forever, Jack found himself looking down the abyss�he was tearful, anxious, and despondent. Baseball players are real people, in spite of the hype we impose on them, and their souls hurt, their spirits droop, just like all hard-working Americans. Jack won the Sporting News �Fireman of the Year� award in 1966 and played for the Kansas City and then Oakland Athletics, the Seattle Pilots, New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs, Atlanta Braves, and New York Mets. When I met him some years ago, he was pitching coach of the Cleveland Indians; I caught my breath short, extending and receiving hands of friendship with a living and breathing major leaguer who was on a first-name basis with such stars as Phil Niekro and Tom Seaver. I saw him at his tallest. Arriving on the green natural field before game time, Jack came for me, in full regalia�snappy cap and shimmering team jacket. He walked across fresh, chalky baselines with a certain, lanky royalty. There were the first faint smells of popcorn and beer from the bowels from the bowels of the old stadium as the coach escorted me into the clubhouse. Jack took me into a comfortably large room filled with open booths that served as repositories for the players. �Here,� he declared, �we meet and discuss the game plan.� Like a knothole sentry, he walked past the colognes and hair dryers of the bath area towards a large bin containing thick, polished baseball bats. He said, somberly: �Nobody can touch a man�s bat. You see, Ben, they are numbered according to his uniform number. The bat is a very personal matter to a guy. Nobody can touch it.� I understood what a sacrilege was and I shook my head in awe of power and success. A little over a year later, following a season of fallen expectations and profits, Jack (and the team manager) were both summarily dismissed from their positions. Now, this same Jack, record-holder, my invincible hero, sat in the front of my automobile, shoulders slumped, his head in his hands. We were taking a ride in the country as the venerable coach tried to sort things out. His prestige, his income, and his self-image were suddenly as powdery as the faded chalk lines of that emerald ball field he had once ruled. Jack was gone, the manager was gone, as well as a number of the muscular, sleek, swaggering players I had met that shining afternoon�in a different season. A person is so much more than his baseball card, her resume, his cellular list of �contacts.� Jack is doing okay, taking in his children and grandchildren, knowing well what it means to be laid off, discarded, discontinued. Maybe this old ballplayer understands America right now better than most. MFS62 Nov 19 2008 11:00 AM Thank you, Edgy. Anyone who ever lost a job knows that you didn't have to bold that portion. We would have noticed it and commiserated(sp?) with Jack. But the way it was said was an unexpected pleasure in a piece like that, wasn't it? Later Edgy DC Nov 19 2008 11:03 AM I was just imitating the original publishing, which set it as a pullquote. Farmer Ted Nov 19 2008 12:07 PM Tim Foli will return to manage Washington's Class AAA affiliate in 2009. Met Hunter Nov 19 2008 10:37 PM John Stearns will be back managing the Nats AA team in Harrisburg as well. Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2008 06:14 AM Tim Bogar was among three who interviewed for a spot on the Phillies coaching staff. The problem is, they thought they were interviewing Doug Flynn. Edgy DC Nov 21 2008 10:06 AM John Nunnaly, batting coach with the Columbus Clippers. Edgy DC Nov 23 2008 08:56 PM Jeff Innis, Cape Cod League Hall-of-Famer. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 11:45 AM Tim Bogar formally accepts the Red Sox offer to coach first. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 12:37 PM The last 5 or 6 messages belong in that other thread. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 10:34 AM I consider coaching jobs part of retirement. Rico's was a coaching job. I hear you, though. Nonetheless, I'm sticking with it for one more thread, as Joe McEwing takes over the Winston-Salem Former Warthogs. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 10:43 AM Just for that it's my duty to report that Jason Hardtke has been named hitting coach of the Missoula Osprey (Dbaggs -Pioneer League). The Baggs also named Brett Butler manager of the Reno Aces (PCL). G-Fafif Dec 04 2008 01:04 PM I once received a letter letting me know Brett Butler would come and speak to my employees and motivate them with his life experiences and faith in Christ for only $20,000. How much is each Ace going to have to ante up for the privilege? Edgy DC Dec 16 2008 09:38 AM West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff. Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 09:56 AM You must have overlooked Jerry Cram in your Google subscription: ="Our Sports Central":3gap6pnt] SAN JOSE, CALIF December 15, 2008- The San Jose Giants announced their 2009 coaching staff today with Andy Skeels joining the club as manager, Jerry Cram as pitching coach and Gary Davenport returning as hitting coach. Yukiya Oba also returns as the team's athletic trainer. ... Jerry Cram is familiar with San Jose after spending three years as the Giants pitching coach from 2001-2003. The former major leaguer is now entering his ninth season in the San Francisco organization after working the last five years (2004-2008) as pitching coach of the Salem- Keizer Volcanoes (Short-Season). During his time in the Giants farm system, Cram's teams have won three league championships: San Jose in 2001 and Salem-Keizer in 2006 and 2007. Cram spent parts of four seasons in the major leagues with the Kansas City Royals (1969, 1976) and New York Mets (1974-1975), compiling a 0-3 record and 2.98 ERA over 23 career appearances. Cram has devoted 28 years to the Kansas City organization, the last 14 as a pitching instructor, in a tenure that ended in 1997. Cram then spent three seasons as a pitching coach in the Colorado Rockies minor league system before joining the San Francisco organization prior to the 2001 campaign. ... The San Jose Giants open their 2009 season on Thursday, April 9th at Municipal Stadium vs. the Stockton Ports. The Opening Night Extravaganza will include a post-game fireworks display, 2009 magnet schedule giveaway, the return of Gigante and much more. [/quote:3gap6pnt] metsguyinmichigan Dec 16 2008 12:29 PM ="Edgy DC":3l94882y]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:3l94882y] The Whitecaps have a thing on Sunday afternoons where you can either go on the field to play catch, or go near the dugout where all the players stand in a line and sign autographs. (kids get a free soda and hot dog, too. We got to a lot of Sunday games.) So last year I brought my treasured Mets book, sought out DePastino to sign it and tried to talk to him about his short Mets tenure. Even though there was no one else around and nothing going on, he had absolutely nothing to say. Was disappointed. Maybe I'll have better luck with Benny. G-Fafif Dec 16 2008 12:37 PM ="Edgy DC":1sfgljfz]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:1sfgljfz] What's Distefano's Met pedigree (other than breaking up David Cone's no-hitter?) At least this will give Distefano and DePastino a chance to exchange each other's misdirected mail. Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 12:49 PM He was a replacement player with the Mets in spring training 1995. G-Fafif Dec 16 2008 12:59 PM Now that you say it, it sounds remotely familiar though I have to confess I might have missed it on a multiple choice. Any other ex-big leaguers in that camp? metsguyinmichigan Dec 16 2008 02:07 PM Stan Jefferson, I think. I saw a couple of those spring games. HahnSolo Dec 16 2008 02:25 PM ="G-Fafif":1lmhw7l1]="Edgy DC":1lmhw7l1]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:1lmhw7l1] What's Distefano's Met pedigree (other than breaking up David Cone's no-hitter?) At least this will give Distefano and DePastino a chance to exchange each other's misdirected mail.[/quote:1lmhw7l1] Italian restaurants in West Michigan are scurrying to bid for the postgame spread. HahnSolo Dec 16 2008 02:26 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2a90z7f9]Stan Jefferson, I think. I saw a couple of those spring games.[/quote:2a90z7f9] Two guys I went to high school with, Cliff Gonzalez (8th round pick of the Mets in '85) and Chris Walpole, were in that camp. Gonzalez and Jefferson knew each other having both been from Co-op City. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2008 09:11 AM ] DYKSTRA DROPS THE BALL By KEITH J. KELLY December 17, 2008 -- FORMER New York Mets out fielder Lenny Dykstra appears to be striking out with his magazine, Players Club. Dykstra, who helped the 1986 Mets capture the World Series before landing with the Philadelphia Phillies, is leaving behind a string of unpaid bills and a constant parade of shifting editors and office addresses. In the latest upheaval, Chris Frankie, the acting editor, resigned Dec. 4 along with two other staffers. Now Loren Feldman, former editor-in-chief of Philadelphia magazine, is said to be ready to join as the new chief editor. "Loren Feldman is the new editor," said Dykstra. Meanwhile, Frankie says he's owed back pay. But Dykstra sees things differently: "That's not true. Frankie owes me money. Whatever he's talking about is delusional." Counters Frankie, "That's beyond ridiculous. How could an employee owe an employer money?" Beyond three months' back pay, Frankie said he's also owed for business expenses. Frankie, who had originally helped Dykstra write the TheStreet.com's "Nails on the Numbers" column, got the editor job in August after Dykstra's talks with Neil Amdur, a former sports editor at The New York Times, collapsed at the last minute after a fight over Amdur's ability to hire deputies. "I did fly out there for a meeting with Dykstra about the editor's job," Amdur confirmed. "I spent a couple of days with him. He did offer me the job." The last issue of Players Club was published in October, and the November issue will now be combined into a year-end double issue that has yet to appear. His aim with the magazine was to help professional athletes make sensible investments with the money they earn from sports to ensure they don't go broke when their pro careers end. But present and former staffers say that Dykstra, who during his days with Major League Baseball had the nickname "Nails," is tough as nails when it comes to paying his staff or vendors. Frequently, sources said, he got staff to use their own credit cards to pay for ex penses related to the maga zine, and took months to re imburse the employees. Although the magazine is less than a year old, it has al ready had four different printers and three different editors. Several vendors have also stopped doing business with the magazine. The latest vendor to suspend business is Getty Images, which sources say is owed around $40,000. Dykstra claims that's not true. "I have a great relationship with them," he said of Getty. One source who's worked closely with Dykstra said he "has a haphazard way of paying - he just wires you money." "It's always that the money is just about to come in and everyone will be paid," this person said, adding that if someone demands payment, then Dykstra turns on them. "If you demand payment, then you are the enemy. "He always feels abandoned by people, but he doesn't seem to realize that he's the reason people abandon him." Frayed Knot Dec 17 2008 09:24 AM This surprises me not. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2008 09:26 AM Gotta love the irony in this venture being all about athletes spending wisely. Edgy DC Dec 17 2008 09:26 AM Another day, another house of cards. Edgy DC Dec 22 2008 03:04 PM Aaron Ledesma, infield coach for the Scranton-Wilkes Barre Yankees. The Yankees get a AAA infield coach? What a ripoff! Frayed Knot Dec 22 2008 07:36 PM Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore. Edgy DC Dec 26 2008 08:28 AM DJ has no regrets. Of course he doesn't. He got to be a Met. D.J. Dozier had a Bo Jackson-like versatility Posted to: 50 Greatest Sports By Ed Miller The Virginian-Pilot As William, Bill, or even Billy, it just would not have worked as well. William Henry "D.J." Dozier would have been no less the athlete without that alliterative name, smooth as one of his touchdown runs or fielding gems at shortstop. That name - "D.J. Dozier" - was the shiny bow on top of the package of prep stardom. And Dozier was the complete package: a three-sport standout at Kempsville High, wooed by virtually every major football program in the country, coveted by virtually every pro baseball scout. Virginia Tech coach Bill Dooley came to the Norfolk Sports Club in December 1982 and made a public pitch for Dozier, something that would not be allowed under recruiting rules today, when coaches can't woo prospects through the media. Major league teams waved dollar signs in front of him, trying to convince him to skip football and play baseball. Dozier, No. 12 on the list of greatest athletes from South Hampton Roads, chose football - and Penn State. Later, after several years in the NFL, he reversed course and picked up a bat and glove. Good enough to briefly make it to the majors, he was, in an era of two-sport dabblers, a local, lower-wattage version of guys such as Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders. "Obviously, when you look at the statistics, the numbers are certainly not what I hoped they would have been," said Dozier, now 43 and back in Virginia Beach working as a business consultant. "But the fact that I had the opportunity to go that far with what I would call God-given ability is a tremendous blessing." A dynamo at Penn State, Dozier forever will be a made man among Nittany Lion greats after leading the team in rushing four straight years, earning All-America honors twice and scoring the winning touchdown in a national championship victory over Miami. Things never clicked for him in the NFL, though. A first-round pick, Dozier missed time with injuries and didn't like the way the Vikings were using him - which was not too often. After three years, he signed with the Mets and began the climb through the minors in 1990. Meanwhile, contract talks with the Vikings stalled. Dozier finally re-signed with them halfway through the 1990 season. Dozier finished out that season and played six games with Detroit in 1991. With his baseball career seemingly blossoming, he left football behind. He would play just 25 games for the Mets, though, in 1992. In 1994, at 28, he moved on with his life, retiring from baseball. Dozier has coached, traveled the world doing missionary work, worked as a financial planner and investment banker. He moved back to Virginia recently from Allentown, Pa. He brought with him no regrets. Dozier said he remembered a former Kempsville teammate who played at Lock Haven University. Dozier knew he was good enough to play at Penn State and told his coaches. They offered him a chance to come to Happy Valley. In the end, though, the friend chose the security of staying at Lock Haven, later second-guessing his decision not to take his shot. "I never forgot what he told me about the regret part of it," Dozier said. "That's what it was for me with baseball. I look at it as something that was a bit nuts, but I really felt that I could do it. "The biggest thing about it is I didn't want to look back and regret not trying." He'll never have to. Ed Miller, (757) 446-2372 ed.miller@pilotonline.com metsguyinmichigan Dec 26 2008 11:17 AM That's a nice story! Plus, I'd forgotten how nasty those old Tides caps were. G-Fafif Dec 26 2008 01:32 PM ="Frayed Knot":34ueq9bz]Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore.[/quote:34ueq9bz] How do you suppose he'll greet his new players...or monstrously huge batboy? themetfairy Dec 26 2008 02:12 PM ="G-Fafif":1emwxaju]="Frayed Knot":1emwxaju]Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore.[/quote:1emwxaju] How do you suppose he'll greet his new players...or monstrously huge batboy?[/quote:1emwxaju] No - just with a simple, "Welcome Abordick," of course! Edgy DC Dec 30 2008 07:42 AM Felix Mantilla, spreading the good chromosomes around. Mantilla earning court time at Yale December 30, 2008 NEWS-SUN STAFF REPORT Mundelein High grad Raffi Mantilla has worked his way into the playing rotation for the Yale University men's basketball team. The sophomore guard has played in all eight Bulldog games (2-6 record), and is averaging nearly 10 minutes of action each game. He's scored a total of 18 points in those eight contests. Mantilla is the grandson of former major-league baseball player Felix Mantilla, who played with the Milwaukee Braves, New York Mets and Boston Red Sox in a long pro career. MFS62 Jan 03 2009 02:29 PM In keeping with the three name thread in the non-baseball forum, I'll always remember him as Felix Lamela Mantilla. (I dunno why, but his middle name always stuck in my mind) Later Edgy DC Jan 03 2009 02:31 PM Yup, and time to retire Brogna 2008.

Vida Blue's first full year was 1971: 24-8, 301 K, 1.82 ERA, 8 SHO, set the world on its ear. That would make him rookie of the year material to whoever voted for Edinson Volquez but it was the most amazing breakthrough season I can recall (if we count Gooden's 1984 as his "breakthrough").

I'm Richie Hebner for another eight posts or so. I'm not going out of my way to pick up any ground balls for a little while.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: ="G-Fafif"]Santana is the ... first Met starter to receive any first-place votes since Gooden in 1987. That's a little surprising. I would have thought Cone in 1988 might have gotten a few first place votes with his 20-3 record. Was Hershiser unanimous that year? Yep. Our best starter years ran into that sort of thing. Gooden only pitched four months in '87, mind you, but that was the Steve Bedrosian season when no National League starter had it goin' on.

That sure was some tadium.

Santana is the first Met to receive any Cy Young votes since Wagner in 2006, first Met starter to receive any Cy Young votes since Leiter in 1998 and first Met starter to receive any first-place votes since Gooden in 1987 -- Doc got one that year; he was the last Mets starter before Johan to get more than one, in 1985 when he won the damn thing unanimously. And I thought we were known for our pitching. How will Johan sleep after not winning this award? Oh right, on a bed made of money.

Or a David Frum/Michael Gershon otherwise underemployed wordsmith of the right. Mike goes that way.

Respectful applause for the opposition's stars and standout plays was ruined by the proliferation of clueless frontrunners in expensive batting practice jerseys who swarmed Shea during the steroid-driven home run bonanza. And by certain perennial facets of Interleague play and the crowd it brought in.

Volquez wasn't eligible based on previous experience with Texas. Strange that BBWAA members wouldn't bother to ascertain that.

bmfc1 wrote: Zachary started but Greg closed (and got the save!)... way to go Greg! And yet Torre never called on me. Go figure.

Speaking as a lifelong Long Islander, I do believe Irish nailed on the head what most of those around me are. Welcome to Long Island, Gary Carter!

What's that John Madden (or is John Madden describing Bill Parcells?) says about getting your guys and their guys and playing in the parking lot? They're gonna have the bases marked anyway. What's a lack of grass among friends?

To be fair to Steve, I spoke with somebody with some MFY ties last week and asked about MFYS II's deconstruction and he said it would hang around a little while in case there was a problem with MFYS III. I didn't pursue beyond that. But I hadn't heard anything from a Mets perspective that MFYS III was any kind of a fallback position. I'd rather the Mets welcome the Padres on April 13 to play stoopball on 108th St. than play a home game at either MFYS.

A ballpark that looked better with a parking lot in the background will now itself be a parking lot. The irony is as thick as the outfield grass was thin.

="Edgy DC":2g5hatbg]How many of you folks do I have to chase away from Argenis Reyes 2008? He's bad for you. He won't look out for you. And Lusi Ayal is in another stratosphere that he shouldn't be sniffing.[/quote:2g5hatbg] Must...not...compile...own...rankings. Must...copy...Edgy's...paper. Nymr83 Nov 07 2008 12:07 PM ="G-Fafif":2xmtej86] Must...not...compile...own...rankings. Must...copy...Edgy's...paper.[/quote:2xmtej86] I think he's grading them, so you'll probably get a better grade that way. Kong76 Nov 09 2008 01:07 PM Here's my first quick swing, I'm sure it'll be changed (by me or someone) ... Santana Wright Beltran J Reyes Delgado Pelfrey Perez Tatis Church Maine Easley Murphy Smith Schneider Feliciano Wagner Schoeneweis Castro Castillo Sanchez Heilman Evans Stokes Chavez P Martinez Pagan Figueroa Vargas Ayala Cancel Frayed Knot Nov 09 2008 07:32 PM ]I'm sure it'll be changed (by me or someone) ... We may cajole, browbeat or humiliate you into changing your vote but no one will change it for you. And besides, your list is closer to the overall consensus than anyone's. That said, you may want to explain how you have Feliciano with his 24 ER, 57 Hits & 26 BBs ranked ahead of Wagner and his 12, 32 & 10 in almost the same amount of IPs (53 v 47) Kong76 Nov 10 2008 04:18 AM I saw a couple of things I'd change after posting it, I'll humiliate myself thank you. Feel free to browbeat. As for Wagner, why is everyone ignoring his IDL factor? Edgy DC Nov 10 2008 07:43 AM Italian Drama League? Internet Dating Lapse? Inconceivieably Dead Leftarm? Gwreck Nov 10 2008 08:06 AM Inconvenient (trip to the) Disabled List? Kong76 Nov 10 2008 03:47 PM Gwreck's is better, mine was I Don't Like'im. Frayed Knot Nov 10 2008 05:09 PM Well here's where our consensus sits at the moment after 13 lists plus our PotG results: 30 - Santana 29 - Wright 28 - Beltran 27 - Reyes 26 - Delgado 25 - Pelfrey 24 - Perez 23 - Tatis 22 - Maine 21 - Church 20 - Wagner 19 - Schneider 18 - Murphy 17 - Easley 16 - Smith 15 - Schoeneweis 14 - Castillo 13 - Castro 12 - Feliciano 11 - Sanchez 10 - Chavez 9 - Heilman 8 - Stokes 7 - Martinez 6 - Evans 5 - Pagan 4 - Figueroa 3 - Ayala 2 - Vargas 1 - Alou Received votes but fell short: Cancel Casanova Anderson A Reyes Sosa Shut out: Aguila Armas Clark Knight Kunz R. Martinez Molina Muniz Niese Nixon Parnell Phillips Rincon Wise A couple of places on the big board are close and could change a bit on account of revisisions while others are pretty much set in stone at this point. Elster88 Nov 10 2008 06:29 PM What's the deadline for submission? Frayed Knot Nov 10 2008 08:26 PM Nothing specific. We tend to not wrap things up until conversation starts to peter out and the list is as set as its going to be - although we are kind of reaching that point. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 07:27 AM I'm Raul Casanova. Reconsider me. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2008 07:41 AM ="Edgy DC":36ifpmno]I'm Raul Casanova. Reconsider me.[/quote:36ifpmno] One of the great mysteries of the year was his non-reappearance. We saw an awful lot of Cancel, and enough of Molina to assume neither one was going to out-hit Casanova. That said, the very fact that he was not given another chance sorta makes whatever small case Cancel has to be his superior. m.e.t.b.o.t. Nov 18 2008 12:50 PM after an extended period of inactivity, m.e.t.b.o.t. has been dusted, appropriately lubricated, and finally activated. m.e.t.b.o.t. has manipulated the win percentage data from the 2008 baseball season and, implementing a fancy new bit of mechanical programming and intricately crafted, steampunked sprocketry, has calculated the rankings for the 2008 new york metropolitan baseball players. the list is as follows. 30 Carlos Beltran 29 David Wright 28 Johan Santana 27 Carlos Delgado 26 Jose Reyes 25 Mike Pelfrey 24 Oliver Perez 23 Fernando Tatis 22 John Maine 21 Damion Easley 20 Ryan Church 19 Brian Schneider 18 Joe Smith 17 Daniel Murphy 16 Duaner Sanchez 15 Pedro Martinez 14 Billy Wagner 13 Luis Castillo 12 Claudio Vargas 11 Angel Pagan 10 Moises Alou 9 Endy Chavez 8 Jorge Sosa 7 Ramon Castro 6 Robinson Cancel 5 Pedro Feliciano 4 Brian Stokes 3 Nicholas Evans 2 Scott Schoeneweis 1 Marlon Anderson 0 Ramon Martinez -1 Aaron Heilman -2 Argenis Reyes -3 Carlos Muniz -4 Raul Casanova -5 Nelson Figueroa -6 Trot Nixon -7 Brandon Knight -8 Luis Ayala -9 Brady Clark -10 Robert Parnell -11 Tony Armas Jr. -12 Gustavo Molina -13 Ricardo Rincon -14 Abraham Nunez -15 Andy Phillips -16 Edward Kunz -17 Jonathon Niese -18 Chris Aguila -19 Matt Wise this is performed via a modification of an earlier graphical methodology attempted by human poster metsmarathon. m.e.t.b.o.t. has streamlined and vastly improved the implementation of this methodology. the graphical results are depicted below. a description of the methodology will be forthcoming. m.e.t.b.o.t. requires significant rewinding after posting images, as it requires significant mechanical effort to appropriately arrange pixels into something which humans might have a chance of comprehending visually. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 18 2008 12:59 PM Heilman doesn't rate? Wow! Look at Tatis! Look at Show! Look at Alou! Dig Joe Smith-over-Wagner! I love m.e.t.b.o.t. metirish Nov 18 2008 01:04 PM I can see now why Schoeneweis and Feliciano are still in Minaya's plans , excellent work metbot. Nymr83 Nov 18 2008 02:33 PM I highly approve of MetBot's placement of Heilman. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 02:42 PM And I of his placement of Argenis Reyes. Gwreck Nov 18 2008 03:26 PM The shocker to me is Jorge Sosa. Was it the 4-1 W-L record for Sosa that put him so high? m.e.t.b.o.t. Nov 18 2008 03:36 PM m.e.t.b.o.t. wonders if the graphic shows up. can any human poster verify this? essentially, what m.e.t.b.o.t. has done is determined a likely maximum value of win percentage added would be for both hitters and pitchers, based upon data reaching back into the 1970's. the yearly leaders in win percentage added ranged from about 6 up to a maximum of 12 for performance enhanced human barry bonds. the typical second place win percentage leader ranged from 5.5 to about 8. m.e.t.b.o.t. determined, using convenience and simplicity as a primary factor, that 7.5 win percentage added would make for a reasonable expected maximum, which works well with an expected maximum plate appearances of 750. and so, a rate was determined that for every 100 plate appearances, 1.0 WPA would be expected of the best batter. for pitchers, m.e.t.b.o.t applied the same methodology. the yearly leaders in pitching ranged between 5.5 and 6.5, for the most part. the sole outlier was dwight gooden in 1984, with a remarkable 9.0 wpa. interestingly, despite the total innings pitched of top pitchers decreasing during the previous 30-40 years, the maximum wpa has remained fairly static. m.e.t.b.o.t. selected 6.5 as the reasonable expected maximum win percentage added for pitchers, which works very well with an expected maximum innings pitched of 250. therefore, for every 33.1 innings pitched, 1.0 WPA would be expected of the best pitcher. with 250 innings pitched, a pitcher in the national league would expect nearly 100 plate appearances, as evidenced by johan santana's 81 plate appearances in 234.1 innings pitched. if the best pitcher were capable of being the best hitter, he would be expected to have 7.5 wpa in 250 ip + 100 pa. m.e.t.b.o.t hopes that this all makes sense to human crane pool forum participants. the terminal m.e.t.b.o.t. is utilizing to communicate these 2008 rankings and associated methodology is undergoing a forced reboot. as such, m.e.t.b.o.t. will resume discussion later this evening. G-Fafif Nov 18 2008 05:53 PM Robinson Cancel sends m.e.t.b.o.t. a glass of 3-in-One. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 07:10 PM I got the graphic. Reconsider Raul, m.e.t.b.o.t. m.e.t.b.o.t. Nov 18 2008 09:11 PM unfortunately, m.e.t.b.o.t. is not programmed to reconsider single players; m.e.t.b.o.t. can only reevaluate methodologies and perform recalculations. m.e.t.b.o.t. has performed a cursory review of the methodology used to arrive at the above listed rankings for 2008 and m.e.t.b.o.t. has determined that raul casanova is appropriately ranked relative to his teammates. in approximately 61 plate appearances, raul casanova contributed -0.35 wpa. based upon the current methodology whereby 1 inning pitched is considered equivalent to 3 plate appearances, there are 32 players who played more than raul casanova. to outrank a player with more playing time, raul casanova would have to significantly outperform that player. based on these calculations as performed by m.e.t.b.o.t., raul casanova has outperformed only one player - nelson figueroa, with -1.25 WPA in 1.50 time units (3*IP + PA) the series of diagonal lines in the picture show, essentially equivalent win percentages for the purpose of ranking. as can be seen in the lower left corner, brian stokes, nick evans, and scott schoeneweis all have approximately the same equivalency (0.80, 0.74, and 0.73, respectively) the updated picture below shows raul casanova, and those teammates immediately above and below him in equivalency. equivalency is defined by where that diagonal line intersects the y-axis, and is determined by the formula: WPA + [ ( 3*IP + PA ) / 100 ] = equivalency. this is m.e.t.b.o.t.'s attempt at mimicking wins above replacement, or win shares, or the like. modifying the relationship between playing time and win percentages is the most straightforward means of altering the ranking methodology. this can be approximated by varying the slope of the diagonal lines. as can be imagined, the proximity of those players directly behind raul casanova in equivalency implies that as you alter the relationship, you either lift nelson figueroa or trot nixon above raul casanova. nelson figueroa had a lower wpa in more playing time, while nixon had a higher wpa in less playing time, yet raul casanova was slightly ahead of each of them in equivalency. in fact, there is no way to draw a line on this graph which would have raul casanova and 29 other players on its positive side. even drawing an imaginary line up and to the right from casanova so as to exclude the cluster of billy wagner, moises alou and robinson cancel yields 31 better metropolitans. based on the rule of 3 ip = 1 plate appearance, raul casanova does not merit placement in the top 30 metropolitans of 2008. in fact, modifying this relationship such that 2.5 ip = 1 pa, raul casanova only improves to 33rd, and causing 2 ip = 1 pa brings him up to 32nd. m.e.t.b.o.t. does not consider it fruitful to reevaluate the placement of robinson cancel further. were m.e.t.b.o.t. capable of the emotion, m.e.t.b.o.t. would, however, consider this above exercise very welcome given the recent extended period of inactivity. regarding the rankings of robinson cancel and jorge sosa, despite the apparent statistical inadequacies of their respective performances in 2008, these two players each had positive win percentages added in very little playing time. jorge sosa had 0.48 wpa in 21.7 innings and 2 plate appearances, while robinson cancel had 0.46 wpa in 52 plate appearances. jorge sosa[/url:sg2qqlax] had more good outings than bad outings, and most of his bad outings came in blowouts. his four worst outings had wpa of -0.128, -0.117, -0.108, and -0.078, while his four best outings had wpa of 0.275, 0.172, 0.138, and 0.110. robinson cancel[/url:sg2qqlax] had more bad outings than good outings, as can be expected of any hitter. but when he contributed, his contributions were fairly positive. his four worst games had wpa of -0.214, -0.117, -0.076, and -0.070, while his four best outings had wpa of 0.334, 0.240, 0.170, and 0.84. one further point that m.e.t.b.o.t. has determined may be of potential interest to human cranepoolers. the colored tails leading diagonally down to the positions of the 5 primary starting pitchers in 2008 reflect the impact to their position that their offiensive contributions has had. at the upper right, the tail end of the line, is where the pitcher would place based only on his pitching performance. for instance, johan santana had a wpa of 4.08 in 234.1 innings pitched, but had a wpa of -1.27 in 81 plate appearances. also, if a human poster using mozilla firefox were to right click on an image and select the "view image" option, a much larger, more viewable image is available to be seen. this image can then potentially be zoomed into even further, to better aid comprehension. m.e.t.b.o.t. is unable to confirm whether this is applicable using internet explorer. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 09:24 PM Two methodology issues to consider: 1) One inning isn't equal to three plate appearances, but rather to three outs. In fact, it should be equal to about two thirds of three outs --- two outs. 2) The third out is a question of defense, which puts Casanova in positive terriotry. Positive territory, m.e.t.b.o.t.! m.e.t.b.o.t. Nov 18 2008 10:07 PM m.e.t.b.o.t. has no source for defensive input. for all of m.e.t.b.o.t.'s intents and purposes, defense is entirely the result of the pitches thrown, not the fielders to which the pitches are hit. m.e.t.b.o.t. recognizes the inherent flaw in this, but there is no data source avaiable which can provide a remedy within the win percentage framework. m.e.t.b.o.t. would be a very happy emotionless springwound contraption indeed if one day someone were capable of producing such a data source. ... how would human poster edgy dc compare the relative playing time of johan santana and jose reyes, defense aside? a strict perspective would be to consider plate appearances for and against, in which case johan santana would have an edge of approximately 1053 to jose reyes' 754. IP X 3 + H + BB should approximate total plate appearances against, give or take gidps, errors, and csa's. that gives santana 972, plus his 82 plate appearances for 1053. scaling those plate appearances against by 2/3, santana has 648, plus 82 plate appearances for, for 702. applying this playing time adjustment to all pitchers actually causes raul casanova to drop from 35th to 36th, as nelson figueroa's increased number of batters faced per inning pitched gives him a boost. if m.e.t.b.o.t. were to go to the extreme step of granting this increased 1/3 playing time to the batters, then raul casanova improves all the way up to 34th place. raul casanova amassed neither sufficient playing time nor positive contribution of win percentage to warrant inclusion in the top 30 players as determined by m.e.t.b.o.t. raul casanova participated in 13 games as a catcher. while his defense, according to baseballperspective.com was exemplary in those 13 games, rating 7% better than average, that, too, does not appear to be sufficient to escalate him into the top 30 players. worth noting, too, is the 11% better than average defensive rate posted by argenis reyes in 27 games at second base, and marlon anderson's 34% better than average defense at first base in 6 games, and 11% better than average defense in 25 games in left field. raul casanova would have to pass these two position players, along with averagely defensive ramon martinez to make it into the top 30, unless the 5 pitchers ahead of him were to fall by the wayside. Gwreck Nov 18 2008 11:38 PM So Beltran came in first under the Metbot system, without even factoring in defense? Wow.

Push comes to shove, I know of a couple of minor league ballparks in city limits that would do in a crunch. The A's played six games in Las Vegas in 1996 when the Your Name Here Coliseum's renovations weren't quite complete. The Rays have rented out the Braves' Disney facility to gin up interest in Central Florida a couple of times. I'd rather the Mets play nine innings of asses-up handball against a wall at the Polo Grounds Houses than call MFYS II or III home even for a day.

30 Johan Santana 29 Carlos Delgado 28 David Wright 27 Carlos Beltran 26 Jose Reyes 25 Mike Pelfrey 24 Oliver Perez 23 Fernando Tatis 22 Ryan Church 21 John Maine 20 Billy Wagner 19 Daniel Murphy 18 Brian Schneider 17 Joe Smith 16 Damion Easley 15 Scott Schoeneweis 14 Pedro Feliciano 13 Nick Evans 12 Luis Ayala 11 Brian Stokes 10 Aaron Heilman 9 Ramon Castro 8 Duaner Sanchez 7 Endy Chavez 6 Pedro Martinez 5 Luis Castillo 4 Robinson Cancel 3 Argenis Reyes 2 Angel Pagan 1 Nelson Figueroa

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="Edgy DC":2j9ucmx8]Doesn't this look like they composed a Met jersey and photoshopped it onto a Yankee picture of Wille? [/quote:2j9ucmx8] This would explain why the Mets in recent years seemed so flat. metsguyinmichigan Nov 03 2008 12:10 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":1wzmvwjl]It's not her weight that makes her unappealing, it's the noises that come out of her mouth.[/quote:1wzmvwjl] She talks? Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 12:17 PM She tries. themetfairy Nov 03 2008 01:02 PM She squawks. seawolf17 Nov 03 2008 02:46 PM ="soupcan":1mxbmvn9]A sign of team mascot Mr. Met saying smoking is prohibited in the stadium has already been sold for $100, Meisel said.[/quote:1mxbmvn9] FUCKIN' HELL. That's all I wanted from the stadium. I just left a message with someone at MeiGray. soupcan Nov 07 2008 07:18 AM Found these at baseball-fever.com First game ever at Shea... Last game ever at Shea... Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2008 07:37 AM It was prettier when it opened than when it closed. Edgy DC Nov 07 2008 08:39 AM The pitch could have been in better condition. G-Fafif Nov 07 2008 09:00 AM A ballpark that looked better with a parking lot in the background will now itself be a parking lot. The irony is as thick as the outfield grass was thin. Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2008 09:12 AM Looking at the two photos together really shows how much garishness was added to Shea over the years. I'm sure Citi Field with start out with a lot of that clutter already in place. I can only imagine what it will look like 40 years from now. (And I hope I live to find out! At this point, another 40 years is about as much as I care to get.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 07 2008 09:33 AM ="Edgy DC":2749cxyp]The pitch could have been in better condition.[/quote:2749cxyp] Shea was barely complete when it opened. They worked till the very last minute. They said it was very soft and muddy in the outfield. metirish Nov 07 2008 09:40 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1qbr6llo]="Edgy DC":1qbr6llo]The pitch could have been in better condition.[/quote:1qbr6llo] Shea was barely complete when it opened. They worked till the very last minute. They said it was very soft and muddy in the outfield.[/quote:1qbr6llo] Was there even a fence at the back behind CF separating it form the parking lot , it's hard to tell. soupcan Nov 07 2008 09:43 AM And half of the parking lot isn't even paved yet. Willets Point Nov 07 2008 09:46 AM All the cars are the same size though. soupcan Nov 11 2008 08:03 AM First base Field level is gone, Third base nearly so. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 08:14 AM One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off. seawolf17 Nov 11 2008 11:29 AM ="themetfairy":2tehg78d]One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off.[/quote:2tehg78d] No kidding. I should stop opening this thread. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:26 PM That sure was some tadium. Zvon Nov 11 2008 12:57 PM ="themetfairy":3vpl9tnq]One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off.[/quote:3vpl9tnq] I couldn't have said it better. I have to say I am a bit surprised how the destruction of Shea is effecting me. It has to be this slow torturous way I'm viewing it bit by bit. ="seawolf17":3vpl9tnq]No kidding. I should stop opening this thread.[/quote:3vpl9tnq] I'm with you seawolf17. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 01:12 PM We let this happen. More than a few advocated it's happening. It's no time to turn away now. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:22 PM I'll own up to wanting the new stadium. I'm not denying that. But I've seen this transition done in several other cities during the past few years, and to a team they've all handled it better than the Mets have. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:34 PM I'm enjoying the pictures and saving everyone one of them. Keep 'em coming, I stopped licking my wound about ten days ago. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:35 PM tmf: they've all handled it better than the Mets have <<< How so? soupcan Nov 11 2008 01:39 PM I'll miss the old girl too but c'mon. Think of what it will be like having wide walkways! Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 01:42 PM Wide walkways and legroom are nothing to sneeze at. I'd feel differently if I still lived in New York. But as rarely as I get to Shea Queens to see the Mets play anymore, I don't think Citi Field will ever feel like home to me. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:44 PM I remember the Phillies homage to the Vet in 2003 - a stadium that was younger than Shea and didn't have nearly the history Shea did. IIRC they were the first to take down a number before each game, but they made sure that every number was taken down by someone with a meaningful connection to the team or the stadium (not a Lincoln Mercury dealer in the lot). Their post-game ceremony after their final game was very moving (I'll find the link to it shortly), without the idiotic delay that Mets fans had to endure after Shea's final game. They had books ghost written by the Phillies Phanatic helping prepare younger fans for the move. From top to bottom it just seemed like a much better thought out operation. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 01:49 PM That has little to do with photos of the de-construction. Is a delay before a ceremony such a big deal? themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:52 PM The delay before the ceremony was just endemic of the half-assed job the Mets did in properly celebrating Shea's final season. They had an opportunity to do the old girl real justice, and they dropped the ball every chance they could. I couldn't find that footage of the final game ceremony at the Vet on the Phillies' site (and I feel very dirty trolling around there - ick!). But it had much more of a well-planned feel to it. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:56 PM How did we get from handling the transition in a day by day demolition thread which you said other teams did better to closing ceremonies and silly number countdowns? themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:06 PM ="KC"]How did we get from handling the transition in a day by day demolition thread which you said other teams did better to closing ceremonies and silly number countdowns? I mentioned the transition in general. You asked for details. I think that if the Mets did a better job in paying homage to Shea this past season that people wouldn't be as upset about its destruction as they are. Agree or disagree with that premise - it's merely a theory. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 02:08 PM I wouldn't feel dirty seeking for it if you liked it. If you like it, you like it. It's all MLB's website anyhow. I'm just not ready to kick the Mets because they don't demolish the stadium in a manner comparable to the White Sox or the Rangers. Or such having anything to do with why folks say they won't open this thread. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:12 PM You seem to be switching gears, going from "we let this happen/some advocated for it" to "I'm not ready to kick the Mets." You cool with this or not? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:15 PM tmf: I mentioned the transition in general. You asked for details <<< How did all the others "to a team" handle the dismantling of their old stadium better than the Mets? Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 02:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 11 2008 02:27 PM You're excerpting phrases out of sentences there. It's clear to anybody that I didn't support a new stadium. How it's demolished is a moot point and I don't see how it can be done better, or indeed has been done better by everyone else. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 02:25 PM Maybe they can demolish the stadium by bringing each piece out on a velvet pillow laid out on a sled pulled by a puppy dog. I'm sure we'd all feel better then. This wound-licking is getting too much. I want video of the destruction and i hope it's bloody. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 02:29 PM I don't think the Mets did such a bad job with the last year of Shea. Yeah, there were too many Lincoln-Mercury dealers pulling down the numbers. But I think the closing ceremony was nicely done. Very nicely done. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:36 PM The physical demolition of Shea has to be done in this manner because implosion is not possible. My point is that I don't think that people would be reacting to the demolition process as painfully as they are if the Mets had done a better job of honoring Shea properly in its final season. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 02:38 PM Speaking only for myself, I just find it a little bit sad. No pain though. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:39 PM I know people who are in real pain over this. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:44 PM There's no way I could cull what fairy's point was from what she typed, I don't read posters minds, we were talking about the demolition pics. Problem with getting too wrapped up in the Mets will never be the same with- out good ol' Shea is before you know it's twenty years from now and you're writing letters to the paper like Bob L about how greener the grass was there and popcorn fresher. The bathroom floors were even drier and less sticky 20 years from now too I bet and those wonderful sight lines ... themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:50 PM If that's the case, then I weep for the yet-to-be-finished Citi Field. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 02:54 PM I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:57 PM tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 03:00 PM ="Frayed Knot":3qcqh3up]I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young?[/quote:3qcqh3up] Wait a minute, that second one wuz you. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 03:00 PM ="KC"]tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! I think they're minors. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:02 PM Actually, Iubital's post yesterday ("it doesn't surprise me") started me on this build up of let's stop the wound licking that was bound to come out. I think. I ain't going back to look. (OE: meaning the foul line not lining up) themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:18 PM ="Edgy DC"]="KC"]tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! I think they're minors. No - the minors I know aren't as connected to Shea as most of the adults I know. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:24 PM How do they feel about the demolition? Do the also feel that it's being handled "to a team" much worse by the Mets? Or are they just bitter about the closing ceremonies and number countdown too? Send 'em here. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:32 PM Who are you talking about? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:39 PM The people who are in real pain over this, McFly. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:45 PM I'll leave it to them to specifically reply to you or not. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:50 PM If they're here (and I suspected they were) then you should have left them out of your poor defense to begin with and let them speak for themselves. You wiggled off like four hooks in this thread. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:06 PM There is beauty, pain and joy in baseball. When they gut and pry apart where you experienced most of it, a person is likely to reflect on all three and feel, upon viewing the kinds of pictures in question, one of those sensations in particular. The beauty and the joy may have been carried out safely before MeiGray could sell them, but it is not surprising that the pain should linger and overshadow for many if not all across the duration of the demolition. Later? Who knows? We haven't been there yet. I suspect the beauty and the pain and the joy will coalesce into the warmer memories the magic of distance allows. Reality says somebody's doing a job in taking down Shea Stadium. Reality says the plan has been on the table long enough for everybody to adjust to the plan. But baseball and reality were never intended to mesh so easily. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 04:17 PM Eloquent as ever, and on topic. Bravo! themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:29 PM ="KC":cumx5g68]If they're here (and I suspected they were) then you should have left them out of your poor defense to begin with and let them speak for themselves. You wiggled off like four hooks in this thread.[/quote:cumx5g68] Don't ask direct questions if you're not going to like the answers. What was I supposed to do? Ignore you? G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:32 PM ="KC":3vuetxpl]Eloquent as ever, and on topic. Bravo![/quote:3vuetxpl] Thanks much, but just throwing the last pitch of what TMF stated quite reasonably, I think...Benitez to the Fairy's Leiter, as it were. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:33 PM Thanks G. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 04:35 PM I disagree, I think she said something and then changed it to something else and then played on then something else. I have to stop, I'm gonna start getting PM's about causing waves in the bath tub. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 04:38 PM ="Edgy DC"]="Frayed Knot"]I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young? Wait a minute, that second one wuz you. Yes, but I was just noting the fact that they looked off via the angle in that aerial shot. What followed was a reply which stated that only the Mets could do something like that as if the new stadium really will have foul poles 150' from home plate on account of this organization being so incompetant that the thought of seeing where the lines actually lead hasn't yet occured to anyone during this whole multi-million dollar operation. I'd bring up the one post wondering if they really had to ruin the grass with all that machinery during the deconstruction but I don't think that one was totally serious (although I waver at times). G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:39 PM I find it way more upsetting that I posted my way up from Richie Hebner only to morph into Jerry DiPoto. Who ranks these things? Oh right. Us. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:46 PM ="KC":6z6ktyl3]I disagree, I think she said something and then changed it to something else and then played on then something else. I have to stop, I'm gonna start getting PM's about causing waves in the bath tub.[/quote:6z6ktyl3] I did nothing of the kind. I answered a question that you asked me. You chose not to like the answer. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:05 PM I ain't outlining it for you, and don't be so fucking snippy. You're not always right. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:07 PM I'm just playing defense here. I'm not the one accusing people of changing things around. Nor have I done or said anything that merits you swearing at me. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:16 PM I'm sorry, but you're just freakin' maddening sometimes. Poorly handled transition does not equal demolition. Go wiggle yourself. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:24 PM I never said it equaled demolition. I was talking about people's reactions to the demolition. And nothing I said justifies the kind of reaction you're having. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:33 PM No, your first response was about the closing ceremonies and the count down .... have you been drinking with cooby? I'm comfortable with my reaction for purposes of this thread and I apologize for cursing and that's all I have to say on the matter. C'mon, "go wiggle yourself" was pretty funny. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:43 PM No, I have not been drinking. This is what you consider an apology? I made a comment about the transition being handled poorly. You asked me to extrapolate. I did, and you reacted in a pretty hostile manner. If you don't like my opinion that's your prerogative. But you needn't go off like that just because you disagree with it. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:50 PM I apologized for cursing, that's it. Your reading comprehension skills are taking a beating in this thread. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:54 PM No. I'm simply taking a beating for not seeing an issue exactly the way that you do. Kong76 Nov 12 2008 04:20 AM A beating? If I was gonna get nasty I'd dig up a picture of you in a Phillies uniform and really stick it to you. I'm ultimately taking the beating when we argue because the bath house mentality of this board will almost always side with you. Mean ol' KC. *sigh* HahnSolo Nov 12 2008 06:42 AM Hi, I'm here for the "intelligent, lively and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and on a good day, the Ramones." Am I in the right place? Kong76 Nov 12 2008 06:58 AM seawolf17 Nov 12 2008 07:17 AM ="HahnSolo":3u9spspm]Hi, I'm here for the "intelligent, lively and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and on a good day, the Ramones." Am I in the right place?[/quote:3u9spspm] Eff that. I come here for the weekly KC/Scarlet fights. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 07:35 AM I missed a GREAT NIGHT. Zvon Nov 12 2008 08:48 PM whats all this then....? Pages of posts but nary an image. Addressing the issue of pain... Some of us do feel pain in regard to Shea's demise. It's not even that bad. Its a pang....a feeling of remorse. It hurts on a level that's hard to express, and its a passing phase. Eventually this will be a thing of the past. Not yet though, seeing it being ripped down bit by bit, here and at other places as well. I have been going around and collecting pictures of Shea myself. Anything I come across. Early days,recent times,....even the demolition. So I bop in here and I see there have been additions to the Shea Photo thread, and I'm like, "Oh kool! Maybe its one I haven't seen. Hope its the older Shea...but any nice pic of Shea would be sweet to see..." I hope to see pictures of Shea in way of a recollection, an homage. That's just me though. Maybe there should be a seperate thread for Shea's demolition, ...I dunno. But it's really not a big deal. As you can see I'll still check out this thread, hoping for kool pics of Shea Stadium when it was in use. I've come across some really great Shea photos online recently, especially at Baseball Fever. Like this one. I am 95% positive that thats me running onto the field after game 5 of the '73 NLCS. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 09:05 PM Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms. Zvon Nov 12 2008 09:15 PM ="Edgy DC":3fjgok91]Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms.[/quote:3fjgok91] Not so. I was 15. Kong76 Nov 13 2008 04:34 AM EDC: Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms ------------- I never noticed, but you're right. It looks like they just opened a gate for field level gen adm for a Deep Purple concert or something and all the guys are scrambling to get a good spot. Cool picture to be in. G-Fafif Nov 13 2008 05:42 AM It's fascinating, from a cultural perspective, to contrast the crowds storming the field images from '69 and '73. The tumult of the '60s may have waned away from the ballpark, but its remnants seem to have become codified in places that were largely shielded from change while change was at its most intense: like the ballpark. (Which is probably what pissed Dick Young off so.) It's often been said there was more of an edge to the '73 rushing of the field than '69's, for what that's worth. I don't remember the Orioles complaining they were frightened for their well-being the way the Reds did. That YouTube clip that MLB pulled earlier this year, the pregame show from Game Four of the '73 World Series, showed (to me anyway) what a different world we were living in versus four years earlier, not just in style but substance. If you recall, Kubek, Seaver and Hunter were all taking Charlie Finley to task for his handling of the Mike Andrews situation. Questioning authority, kind of a radical concept in establishment circles in 1969, was part of the polyester fabric of the game by 1973. Probably not a coincidence this was the same year as the Senate's Watergate hearings nor that within two weeks there would be such a backlash to the Saturday Night Massacre. soupcan Nov 14 2008 09:54 AM Latest shots from wcbs880 chopper... Field level is completely gone now. Here's some interesting stuff that I got from baseball fever. Shea Demolition Plans: Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 09:58 AM What's a "NON-BEARTING STRUCTURE"? Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2008 10:00 AM Before anyone else beats me to it, let me just get this out of the way: It figures! The stupid Mets can't even get the spelling right! Willets Point Nov 14 2008 10:04 AM Question for Zvon. Is your shirt open showing your Siegfried & Roy hairless chest or were you wearing a fleshtone t-shirt? Zvon Nov 14 2008 01:26 PM ="Willets Point"]Question for Zvon. Is your shirt open showing your Siegfried & Roy hairless chest or were you wearing a fleshtone t-shirt? lol. I never went around displaying my slinky chest so I'm sure that's a T-shirt. Doubt it was fleshtone, probly orange. Thing is I'm not positive that's me. First time I saw the pic I looked right past that guy searching for me. Eventually I got back to him and thought that must be me. I have no recollection of what I wore that day. I do know I was a skinny guy with long hair who always wore white sneaks. If I had on a flannel shirt, which I wore often enough, it be rolled up at the sleeves. And the path I took puts me right about where that guy is. After that I ran to the edge of the home plate grass, stopped... saw that girl on the mound (looks like she's going for the rubber <[joke setup<]).. our eyes met...I ran to her on the mound and we did a Koosman/Grote type jump and hug. Twirled in a circle, split and ran in different directions. I never saw her again but I'll never forget that moment. Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2008 01:27 PM I had no idea that Marlo Thomas was there that day! metirish Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM WOW , what a great picture , guy in the yellow shirt at second stands out and I count three suits that might be security , one to the right of yellow shirt and one to the left of Buddy and one n front of him. Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM That's a great story. How about Barry Gibb chicken dancing to your right? Zvon Nov 14 2008 01:37 PM ="Edgy DC":38ctzctd]That's a great story. How about Barry Gibb chicken dancing to your right?[/quote:38ctzctd] No hug for him. Zvon Nov 14 2008 02:31 PM The thing about storming (and that's a very apt description) of the field in '73, and why it did get out of control, was that every kid wanted to be part of that moment, to be part of the celebration like in '69. And as the game went on we all had the same idea : to get down to field level so it was possible. We did the same thing during game four. I ended up on the 1st base side then. Rose hit that extra inning homer and the celebration was over. I was right on the rail behind the added box on the 3rd base side late in game 5. The Reds families were sitting in them. Eventually the game was stopped and they were led out to the Reds bullpen for their safety. And it's not that we were bothering them personally in any way, shape or form (fans did taunt them when they were being led away though, lol). Its just that there was a sea of people behind them that became like one big giant swaying creature. We could not move independently, could hardly even breath. And you know what I did then? I jumped the rail into the make shift box. Like the Reds families I was a bit concerned for my safety. Unfortunately everyone along the rail ended up jumping into the box like lemmings. Again we became crammed. I saw the fans on the 1st base side did the same thing, but they were so packed in that the little wooden wall that enclosed the section collapsed, and they spilled out onto the field. The game had to be halted again. Tug was on the mound at this point. He was pissed off. I remember him approaching the pile of people waving his arms over and over in an upward motion as if to say EVERYONE! BACK UP AND INTO THE STANDS! It was pretty crazy. I got so sandwiched in the corner of the box that I felt that we were gonna burst out on this side too. I jumped out and went down into the Reds dugout. I was able to hide in plain sight there for quite a few minutes, sitting on a stool in the far corner of the dugout. Eventually a cop came up to me and asked what I was doing there. I told him...I was trying to stay alive, lol. He told me I had to stay alive back up in the stands. This was when I was shown on TV, when the cop was talking to me. (my parents and brothers got to see that from home. My bros thought it was the koolest thing, my folks were like wtf were you doing?). I've told this story before here (I have also mentioned looking for the footage of me on TV and it is nowhere to be found.) but I don't think I ever stressed the point that what happened occurred because too many kids had this dream of being in a '69 like celebration highlight reel. And what actually happened was we so embarrassed the team, the game, the city, that that footage will forever be locked away and forgotten. One of my best Shea memories though. A Boy Named Seo Nov 14 2008 02:40 PM I re-read that part about you being in the Reds dugout a couple times thinking I misread or misunderstood you. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Wild story, man. Thanks for sharing. dgwphotography Nov 15 2008 12:28 PM I think I'm one of the one's in real pain over this that TMF is referring to. The thing is not once has the countdown, the ceremonies, or anything that the Mets did or didn't do play a role in it. It is simply the fact that a place that has been a desired destination for me for over 35 years is no longer there. Shea is a place that I dreamed about visiting since my aunt gave me my first yearbook in 1972. It's the knowledge that I will never feel the attachment to the new place that I do to the old place. It's the fact that it was a home away from home of sorts - a place where I knew ever nook and cranny, where I knew where to get the best knishes, or the best dogs. A place that is home to so many memories. Whatever the Mets did or didn't do to mark this occasion plays no role in how I feel about it. Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2008 01:43 PM I agree with that, except for the part about feeling real pain. I feel a touch of sadness, and a sense of loss, but I wouldn't call it pain. Kong76 Nov 15 2008 04:31 PM I'd like to get a copy of that CAD file with the non bearting typo. Hell, they show part of the guy's name and addy and it was easily discovered who and where he is. Maybe he's got a sense of humor and would leak one to us. Edgy DC Nov 15 2008 07:56 PM Scarsdale. Vic can take a short drive and knock on his door. cooby Nov 16 2008 08:19 PM Zvon, great picture, great stories! cooby Nov 16 2008 08:20 PM And what does "Non Bearting" mean? soupcan Nov 18 2008 11:01 AM All of these from baseball-fever.com Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 11:11 AM What? The auction house couldn't generate any action on the spongetech.com sign? Farmer Ted Nov 18 2008 11:17 AM Soup's top photo shows the location of our old seats. Crushing. Willets Point Nov 18 2008 11:25 AM ="Edgy DC":133d3wiq]What? The auction house couldn't generate any action on the spongetech.com sign?[/quote:133d3wiq] Maybe Bubba Sponge? Farmer Ted Nov 18 2008 11:31 AM Missed the Spongetech sign. Very sponge worthy. soupcan Nov 20 2008 10:01 AM More pictures available at nycsubway.org 9/1963 5/10/1964 8/1/1979 8/1/1979 Tiles removed between 1979 and 1980. 8/16/1980 9/24/2008 holychicken Nov 24 2008 09:01 AM Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2008 09:47 AM ="holychicken"]Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. Is she like, legal? holychicken Nov 24 2008 09:56 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":22rs38rb]Is she like, legal?[/quote:22rs38rb] Oh, I see. You see a dark-skinned person and immediately think "illegal immigrant." You should be ashamed! ehehhe SteveJRogers Nov 24 2008 11:37 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]="holychicken"]Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. Is she like, legal? Uh, 'Bucket, aren't you very much attached at the moment? Now Chicken, I ask you the same question! Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2008 11:39 AM I find it a little odd to be lusting after someone when all you know is the shape of her nose. Edgy DC Nov 24 2008 11:44 AM And which pores are and aren't corrupted. holychicken Nov 24 2008 12:06 PM Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me. seawolf17 Nov 24 2008 12:08 PM ="holychicken":21z05y4i]Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me.[/quote:21z05y4i] It's okay, you can still post it. We don't mind. Edgy DC Nov 24 2008 12:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 24 2008 12:42 PM Butts, schmutz. Steve's a snot man. seawolf17 Nov 24 2008 12:38 PM ="Edgy DC":1hrzmxox]Butts, schmutz. Steve's a snot man.[/quote:1hrzmxox] Must be a Yankee fan thing. SteveJRogers Nov 24 2008 01:14 PM ="holychicken":26x42lii]Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me.[/quote:26x42lii] Geez, I was just following Bucket's lead. I mean I need some Met Chick love more than he does! soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:12 AM All from baseball-fever John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 08:18 AM Mike Mulligan always said his Steam Shovel could take down one stadium as fast as 100 men could in a day, although he was never quite sure of that. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 08:26 AM So now they're chewing away at the Loge level? Are they going to get to a point where there's just an unattached Upper Level (or Upper Tank as Keith Hernandez would call it) floating high in the air? soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:28 AM Yeah that's weird isn't it? You'd think they'd go top to bottom rather than the other way around. I'd like to think that they are professional demolishers and know what they are doing rather than they might just be stupid. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:21 AM I don't know. These two guys aren't winning any smart awards with me right now. << dgwphotography Dec 04 2008 10:58 AM ="soupcan"] Zvon - is it me, or does this look tone-mapped? It looks like it has that HDR glow to it... HahnSolo Dec 04 2008 11:21 AM ="Edgy DC":2sv0q5gv] I don't know. These two guys aren't winning any smart awards with me right now. <<[/quote:2sv0q5gv] Those two guys are still waiting for their hot pretzel ordered at the last home game. G-Fafif Dec 04 2008 12:30 PM Talk about your stiff Breezes playing havoc with Shea's outfield. Valadius Dec 04 2008 02:00 PM Part of me is rooting to see the picture of them ripping down that Fox News sign. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 02:14 PM You strike me as somewhat partisan. Am I right? soupcan Dec 04 2008 02:17 PM Who Vlad? Nah - he's as fair and balanced as they come. Kong76 Dec 04 2008 03:45 PM I sent those latest photos to a friend of mine. He wrote back that he thought they were building a new stadium and not just fixing up Shea and slappin' on a new coat of paint like in years gone by. Chucklehead. Zvon Dec 04 2008 04:57 PM ="Iubitul"]="soupcan"] Zvon - is it me, or does this look tone-mapped? It looks like it has that HDR glow to it... Yes. Especially in comparison with the others. It does bring the shaded areas out. Zvon Dec 04 2008 05:02 PM I wish they would get this over with. How are they gonna take down the highest heights sans demolition? themetfairy Dec 04 2008 05:12 PM It may take a while. I remember Old Comiskey Park was in a state of partial demolition when we visited New Comiskey in August of 1991. Kong76 Dec 04 2008 05:22 PM Z: How are they gonna take down the highest heights sans demolition? <=== Cranes and stuff, and how is what they've been doing not demolition? Kong76 Dec 04 2008 05:52 PM tmf: It may take a while. <=== They don't really have much time if they plan to level the joint and make it a parking lot. My guess is they'll finish well before opening day. I don't want to get into union contracts twice tonight, but they make it worth it to finish on time so there's no lolligaggin' nowadays. Zvon Dec 05 2008 03:10 PM ="KC":21ab889l]Cranes and stuff, and how is what they've been doing not demolition?[/quote:21ab889l] Sorry. I meant the usage of explosive charges. Kong76 Dec 05 2008 03:42 PM I figured, I was just goofin'. soupcan Dec 09 2008 08:13 AM Upper deck wrecking ball. BAM! Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:32 AM They should have painted the wrecking ball to look like a baseball. metirish Dec 09 2008 08:33 AM That would have been really taking the piss on those that see that as a sad event. Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:37 AM It would be a nod to tradition. It's what they did with the Ebbets Field wrecking ball. The same ball was used a few years later on the Polo Grounds: Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:50 AM Cincinnati's Crosley Field too! soupcan Dec 13 2008 02:19 PM Wow - now I'm even starting to have a hard time looking... baseball-fever.com Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2008 02:36 PM Yikes. Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 02:55 PM GYAH! Kong76 Dec 13 2008 07:10 PM They didn't sell the panels depicting the leap and Seaver's head? Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 07:23 PM It looks like the terrorist hit we were praying wouldn't happen actually did. Kong76 Dec 13 2008 07:44 PM Fuck terrorists, an accidental plane crash on a foggy evening in the wrong flight path was what I thought mighta happened one day. *62 Dec 14 2008 12:56 PM The pictures may be gruesome but the Stadium has overstayed its welcome. I may miss living in Brooklyn desperately, but 3,000 sq. ft. is way better than 920. Edgy DC Dec 14 2008 05:11 PM I don't get the reference. *62 Dec 14 2008 05:39 PM I love Shea for lots of reasons, and will miss it some ..... but it's a dump. Better? Edgy DC Dec 14 2008 05:53 PM I thought those numbers referred to something. Rockin' Doc Dec 14 2008 06:57 PM I think *62 lives in Florida if my memory is correct. He apparently once lived in Brooklyn and apparently hung out at Shea quite a bit in the past. I think he was stating that he missed living in Brooklyn, but preferred the 3000 sq. ft. of living space he can now afford over the 920 sq. ft. of living space he had in Brooklyn. Living in the south and comparing costs for homes with my friends and relatives relatives that live near the city, I understand what he is referring too. Then again, maybe I miss interpreted the meaning of his post. Either way, it's nice to have *62 posting here again. I hope he hangs around. soupcan Dec 16 2008 01:42 PM StadiumPage.com Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 02:04 PM It's amazing that just ten weeks ago it was still full of color and people and noise. soupcan Dec 18 2008 07:45 PM soupcan Dec 29 2008 07:51 AM soupcan Jan 05 2009 12:40 PM G-Fafif Jan 05 2009 12:52 PM Impressive Photoshopping, Soup. Quite interesting to see what Shea Stadium would look like if somebody went mad and started to tear it down. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, please put Shea back together again. Thank you. batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2009 01:18 PM ="soupcan"]http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q308/soupcan11/shea5-1.jpg That neon batter just reminded me of Gary Carter' follow through, particularly the way Gary would take an inside pitch and line drive one-bounce it to the outfielder for a single. Are there any other Mets that the neon hitter resembles? Edgy DC Jan 05 2009 02:35 PM Looks kind of slender for Carter. It also looks like a guy going to right, while Carter more typically pulled. metirish Jan 13 2009 01:35 PM from 01/10/2009 metsguyinmichigan Jan 13 2009 02:35 PM They're not saving any of the neon players? I know they're huge. but heck, they could slice them up and sell them for $10 a foot to geeks like me! Zvon Jan 13 2009 02:58 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":8phckkps]They're not saving any of the neon players? I know they're huge. but heck, they could slice them up and sell them for $10 a foot to geeks like me![/quote:8phckkps] Why sell just their feet? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2009 04:19 PM wham G-Fafif Jan 13 2009 04:53 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1virpusd]wham[/quote:1virpusd] "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" vs. "Baby I'm Your Man" Whoops...wrong thread. metirish Jan 15 2009 08:00 AM Newsday today has a classic Shea pictures collection. Die-hard fans dance in the aisles at 1:50 a.m. during the 21st inning of a 25-inning marathon game between the Mets and the Cardinals at Shea Stadium. (AP Photo / September 12, 1974) A view of Shea Stadium during the national anthem before a New York Mets-Los Angeles Dodgers game in 1973. (AP Photo / June 9, 1973) Fans rush onto the field and players celebrate after the Mets defeated the Baltimore Orioles to win the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969 A view of Shea Stadium after after souvenir-hunting fans ripped up the sod following the Mets' victory in the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969) Pirates first baseman Willie Stargell waves to the crowd at Shea Stadium during Willie Stargell Night at Shea. The man at left wiping his eye is Nelson Doubleday, Mets chairman of the board. (Newsday / Paul J. Bereswill / September 27, 1982 The new owners of the Mets pose at Shea Stadium. From left: Stephen E. O'Neil, president of City Investing Company; Nelson Doubleday, president of Doubleday Co.; Fred Wilpon, Chairman of the Board of Sterling Equities and John O. Pickett, owner of the NHL New York Islanders, who was instrumental in setting up the sale of the team. Pickett was not listed as an owner of the club. (AP File Photo / January 25, 1980) Car fire involving several cars in the Shea Stadium parking lot during a game in 2002. (AP Photo / April 27, 2002) Workers Angelo DiMaria, left, and Dominico Bannezo clean off old paint and rust as they get Shea Stadium ready for Opening Day in 2001. (Newsdya / J. Conrad Williams Jr / March 28, 2001) > soupcan Jan 15 2009 08:09 AM Amazing how much Jeff looks like his dad used to. Even down to the bad hairdo. ="metirish"] Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 08:10 AM Car Fire Day: Best. Promotion. Ever. HahnSolo Jan 15 2009 08:36 AM I miss crazy old Uncle Nelson. soupcan Jan 15 2009 08:39 AM Pop Quiz - without looking it up, how much did Nelson & Jeff pay for the Mets in 1980. If I remember right, I think it was $20 million. Farmer Ted Jan 15 2009 08:45 AM I only recall $350 million or so to finally kick Doubleday to the curb in '02. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:02 AM Who pitched on Car Fire Day? metirish Jan 15 2009 09:07 AM ="Edgy DC":kdd41i0v]Who pitched on Car Fire Day?[/quote:kdd41i0v] I remember that game , I should say I remember it from watching it on TV and the announcers talking about the fire in the parking lot and showing it. I'll guess that Steve Trachsel pitched . John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 15 2009 09:14 AM ="soupcan":sgwypaic]Pop Quiz - without looking it up, how much did Nelson & Jeff pay for the Mets in 1980. If I remember right, I think it was $20 million.[/quote:sgwypaic] For some reason $21 million is the number I remember but geez. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:14 AM Pedro Pistacio took a no-hiiter into the seventh the day after a crisp one-hitter by Testes. It was game two of a three-game sweep over Milwaukee and, for a minute there, it looked like the 2002 Mets had scrapped together a winning rotation of Leiter-Estes-Astacio-D'Amico-Trachsel. That plan blew up in the parking lot like so many SUVs. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:15 AM Is that logo stitched together? It acually looks like a giant shoulder patch. soupcan Jan 15 2009 09:16 AM D'Amico. I had high hopes for him. soupcan Jan 15 2009 09:17 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":esm8z809]For some reason $21 million is the number I remember but geez.[/quote:esm8z809] I think you're right. dgwphotography Jan 15 2009 11:19 AM ="batmagadanleadoff"]="soupcan"] That neon batter just reminded me of Gary Carter' follow through, particularly the way Gary would take an inside pitch and line drive one-bounce it to the outfielder for a single. Are there any other Mets that the neon hitter resembles? flip it around, and it's Mex. attgig Jan 15 2009 12:16 PM ="metirish"] Fans rush onto the field and players celebrate after the Mets defeated the Baltimore Orioles to win the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969 > i wonder if that will ever be allowed in pro sports. when did that stop? it's only on college that you see fans rushing the field. why is that? Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 12:19 PM Because student athletes don't need/demand protection from the masses the way millionnaire atheletes do. Why is the cop screening home plate doing the time warp? metirish Jan 15 2009 12:23 PM How about the guy down the RF line jumping from the stands? Benjamin Grimm Jan 15 2009 12:23 PM I think it stopped in 1986, at least in New York. The fans rushed the field after the division clincher, but the mounted cops prevented it in the World Series. I think, though, that the Phillies had the cops on horseback for the 1980 World Series. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 17 2009 12:20 PM I went out there this morning, photos on facebook. Here's a vid shot as the 7 train arrives in Willets Pt. metirish Jan 17 2009 01:59 PM Great pictures btw. soupcan Jan 18 2009 01:53 PM These are from baseballfever... Kong76 Jan 18 2009 02:08 PM Even dollar cost averaging down to ~ 7 1/2, that sums up my Citigroup stock feelings. I've been somewhat unaffected by most of the images, but this one is particularly eerie to me: Kong76 Jan 18 2009 02:10 PM I know the home opener is late this year, but are they really gonna have the ol' girl completely gone by then and a parking lot installed? I thought they'd be more far along. Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2009 03:30 PM I'm not sure they have to. The existing parking lot served Shea for the last few years, and Shea held more fans than Citi will. Kong76 Jan 18 2009 03:37 PM I don't mean they have to, I just thought that was the plan. Since groundbreaking, parking there has been a pain in the neck and I took the train mostly to games. I like to tailgate, plan on doing it a lot this year, and it's easier to do with a car. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2009 04:26 PM ="Kong76":3gm6qt5k]I know the home opener is late this year, but are they really gonna have the ol' girl completely gone by then and a parking lot installed? I thought they'd be more far along.[/quote:3gm6qt5k] Official plan is the last bits of Shea are to be disappeared by June 30. Those photos put mine to shame! metirish Jan 23 2009 02:23 PM Vince Coleman Firecracker Jan 23 2009 02:43 PM An auto body shop in a Quonset hut. Fantastic. Willets Point Jan 23 2009 02:44 PM I've got dibs on "City * Field * Collision" as my band's name. Frayed Knot Jan 24 2009 11:28 AM The ends of the horseshoe are starting to disappear http://www.wfan.com/pages/3706726.php?imageGalleryXRefId=907755#imgXR http://www.wfan.com/pages/3706726.php?imageGalleryXRefId=907756#imgXR G-Fafif Jan 24 2009 11:53 AM It's a stump, but it's our stump. dgwphotography Jan 24 2009 01:07 PM soupcan Jan 26 2009 12:33 PM More at stadiumpage.com Frayed Knot Jan 26 2009 12:56 PM btw, Harvey Araton tees off the Yanx in a piece in Sunday's NYTimes. Specifically it's the sweet time they're taking in getting rid of the old park even though the new one is nearly finished and that the whole deal was based on trading stadium space for park land, park land that now seems destined for 2011 at the earliest. Their answer as to when they'll get around to even starting deconstruction is essentially "when we fuckin' get around to it - now go away and stop bothering us", even as they had no problem making a public spectacle about marching their offices across to the new digs the street last week. "Mayor Bloomberg, tear down this stadium" metirish Jan 26 2009 01:16 PM The arrogance of all involved is sickening , how I despise all things Yankees. SteveJRogers Jan 26 2009 02:14 PM Supposedly they are going to use YSII for a movie production, plus the plan was that either the Mets or Yankees would use YSII to play games if either Citi Field or YSIII weren't ready come April. So despite the arrogance, there really are valid reasons why it is still up. Frayed Knot Jan 26 2009 02:36 PM Even if using YSII was the on-paper 'just-in-case' backup plan in the event that some wild mishap went on with the construction of either of the new stadiums the virtually ZERO chance such a plan would ever be put into place has now shrunk to roughly that of the Lions being put into next week's Super Bowl were a case of bubonic plague to sweep through either the Steeler or Cardinal camp. And, as the article mentions, they've yet to even select a company that would do the deconstruction or set a date as to when it might start. So the reason it's not only still up but will be so for at least another year has everything to do with the fact that they haven't finished milking the old girl for every cent she's worth and if that means that the city that just re-re-issued more tax-free bonds as the price climbed over a billion dollars and the local kids in the neighborhood they claim to care so much for (whenever they weren't threatening to leave that is) go without a public park for the next few years well then that's none of their damn business. metirish Jan 28 2009 08:10 PM New York Times ] In Dead of Winter, Shea Stadium Is Melting Away By KEN BELSON Published: January 28, 2009 With each passing day, Shea Stadium, the home of the Mets since 1964, fades further from Citi Field, the team�s new home. In the last few weeks, demolition crews have been ripping down entire sections of Shea from both ends of the outfield decks toward its middle. What was once a semi-enclosed bowl with 57,000 seats is now a skeleton of a grandstand. In the first weeks after the Mets finished their final season at Shea (with another desultory loss that knocked them out of playoff contention), crews removed the seats, signs and anything else that could be sold to collectors or reused in city parks. Then demolition crews started knocking out the field level and the concrete decks that made up the loge and the mezzanine. But the structure of the stadium, built for nearly $30 million, was largely intact. Not so anymore. Since the beginning of the year, crews have clawed away at Shea�s walls and beams, exposing escalators, elevator banks and air ducts. The stands above Gates A and E have vanished and parts of the neon players that adorned the outside of the stadium are gone, too. Twelve sections of the upper deck still have their concrete floors, but the other sections that remain are outlined only by their steel beams. Unlike stadiums in other cities that have been imploded, Shea had to be taken down piece by piece because of building codes. The rat-a-tat-tat of the construction machinery drowned out the noise of the jets taking off from LaGuardia Airport. Tarps on chain link fences say �Almost Home,� a reference to the soon-to-be-opened Citi Field, but also the six-month process of erasing Shea. In all, nearly 10,000 tons of steel and another 2,500 tons of concrete will be pulled out of Shea. Some of the concrete will be ground up and reused as the base material for the parking lot that will be installed in its place. The lot will include space for 2,000 cars and signs marking where home plate and the pitcher�s mound once were. Team representatives said that the demolition will be completed some time in the coming weeks, which is not hard to imagine. On Wednesday, lines of dump trucks made their way onto what was once the outfield, weaving around piles of crumpled metal and concrete covered in snow. Several Web sites have sprung up that have chronicled the destruction of the place where Seaver once threw, Piazza once squatted and the Stork, George Theodore, once roamed. In a way, the sites are a testament to the morbid curiosity of Mets fans, who have endured many morbid Mets teams. �It�s interesting how they are doing it piece by piece,� said Eric Okurowski, a 31-year master�s candidate and a life-long Met fan from Babylon, N.Y., who runs stadiumpage.com. �Most old stadia are blown up and it takes just a few seconds. It�s pretty interesting seeing it come apart in pieces over the course of four months.� Okurowski and several other die-hard fans are organizing a final farewell at Shea at noon Saturday to share stories and take photographs of what is left of the ballpark. As Shea diminishes, Citi Field emerges. While less imposing than Shea, the new stadium, at least from the outside, has an elegance that Shea lacked. Instead of the lattice of concrete ramps that constituted Shea�s exterior, Citi Field is covered in brick and punctuated with arches and an entrance rotunda. Flood lights highlight the outside while klieg lights illuminate what is left of Shea. More Articles in Sports �A version of this article appeared in print on January 29, 2009, on page B18 of the New York edition. apmorris Jan 29 2009 04:58 PM ="metirish"]New York Times ] Okurowski and several other die-hard fans are organizing a final farewell at Shea at noon Saturday to share stories and take photographs of what is left of the ballpark. Anyone going? (bring a camera) metirish Jan 29 2009 05:28 PM People are going http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/ G-Fafif Jan 30 2009 03:38 PM Damn, dirty apes... apmorris Jan 30 2009 04:43 PM ="G-Fafif"]Damn, dirty apes... Awesomenessness Kong76 Jan 30 2009 07:24 PM Classic pic. dgwphotography Jan 31 2009 05:41 AM that's just brilliant. Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2009 05:44 AM That really is brilliant. metirish Jan 31 2009 05:47 AM Yeah it's very clever. themetfairy Jan 31 2009 06:19 AM It's just a model.... batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2009 04:06 PM I'm guessing that the picture has something to do with the Statue Liberty finale in Planet of.... But that picture never came up on my browser. Not today. Not yesterday. Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2009 04:14 PM Me neither. I had to right click, select "Copy Location" and paste the following in my browser: http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/_photos/heston.jpg Edgy DC Feb 02 2009 07:05 AM You MANIACS! soupcan Feb 05 2009 07:11 AM From stadiumpage.com Just a matter of time now.... Benjamin Grimm Feb 05 2009 08:06 AM It's starting to look more like the grandstand you'd see at a race track. Frayed Knot Feb 05 2009 08:11 AM Never can say goodbye No no no no, I Never can say goodbye Even though the pain and heartache Seems to follow me wherever I go Though I try and try to hide my feelings They always seem to show Then you try to say you're leaving me And I always have to say no... Tell me why Is it so That I ... Never can say goodbye No no no no, I Never can say goodbye Evertime I think I had enough I start heading for the door There's a very strange vibration That pierces me right to the core It says turn around you fool You know you love her more and more Tell me why Is it so Don't wanna let yo go I never can say goodbye soupcan Feb 06 2009 10:55 AM These are from wcbs880.com. And there are a few more there as well. G-Fafif Feb 08 2009 03:10 PM Shea among the ruins... Kong76 Feb 08 2009 03:47 PM I called KB over and asked if she wanted to see an eerie picture on my laptop and she saw this and started bawling. "That's all that's left? When was that picture taken?" "Uh, I guess last time it snowed." ... (I'm obnoxious in real life too) and I told her this is like a 25 page thread of the destruction of Shea and we started talking about our Moms and games and tailgates and she got me all throaty too and crying and screw you all but ok I admit that it's hard to see the old thing disappear and I've been suppressing the sadness. There, I said it. dgwphotography Feb 09 2009 07:41 AM the first time we go there this year will be a shock. Edgy DC Feb 09 2009 07:50 AM We should go and have a tribute concert in the parking lot. G-Fafif Feb 09 2009 10:37 AM ="Kong76":1akaid2f]I called KB over and asked if she wanted to see an eerie picture on my laptop and she saw this and started bawling.[/quote:1akaid2f] My wife, who worked downtown throughout the fall of 2001, invoked Ground Zero in terms of what it reminded her of looking at. soupcan Feb 13 2009 10:09 AM Another from baseballfever.com metirish Feb 13 2009 10:27 AM Great pictures over there...taken this morning from the #7 train Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2009 10:48 AM They should leave that last chunk in place. smg58 Feb 13 2009 12:34 PM I drove past it the other day. It's really sad to see it. soupcan Feb 14 2009 07:21 AM I'm at LaGuardia waiting for a flight. Drove past Citi and Shea. Shea looks so sad and insignificant. I'm excited and wistful at the same time. cooby Feb 14 2009 08:22 AM Please, check for ice and geese. Not joking. soupcan Feb 14 2009 08:38 AM We're flying Continental - what could go wrong? dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:44 AM ="metirish"] It's fitting that that's the last piece left... Frayed Knot Feb 14 2009 09:49 AM Think of it as an image of Koosman throwing the final pitch of the '69 WS. It could be Orosco/'86 too but it looks more like Koosman. dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:51 AM hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:57 AM ="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. SteveJRogers Feb 14 2009 11:49 AM ="Iubitul"]="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. What is that watermark on the other side of the card top? A Boy Named Seo Feb 14 2009 11:58 AM ="metirish"]Great pictures over there...taken this morning from the #7 train Nice pic, Irish. Poor, little Shea getting swallowed up by Citi on both sides. Kong76 Feb 15 2009 01:46 PM We took a ride out there today. We packed up a camera, a couple of Heineken keg cans (KB drove) and set out. I was kind of emotional getting ready but by the time we were in the car and on our way I was kinda excited. There were a bunch of people milling about doing the same thing we were and while I didn't talk to anyone we all smiled and nodded to each other like we got it. What we really should have done was cooked a few hot dogs one more time but the beer was enough I guess to count as a tailgate of sorts. The pictures posted all over the internet get redundant after awhile I suppose, but I got a few unique images. metirish Feb 15 2009 02:20 PM Great pictures , thanks. themetfairy Feb 15 2009 03:08 PM Nice shots Kase! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 15 2009 05:20 PM Thanks, sir. Beautiful and gut-wrenching. (All in all, this offseason's been like a months-long wake... except one where the guests take parts of the deceased with them as souvenirs.) A Boy Named Seo Feb 15 2009 05:30 PM Great shots, man. Love the one of you raising your can of Heiny in salutation. holychicken Feb 15 2009 05:49 PM Whoa, crazy, KC. I was there today too and took some very similar pictures. I was the jackass with my little brown dog off the leash. He was very happy to be out running about like that. Edgy DC Feb 15 2009 06:01 PM Should have a concert out there. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 15 2009 06:05 PM Or an Irish wake? -Loading up on Jameson fifths/Cueing up "Body of an American" on the iPods. Kong76 Feb 15 2009 06:13 PM holyc: I was the jackass with my little brown dog off the leash <<< I didn't see any little brown pups running about. It's funny, but I really thought I'd run into at least one Mets' fan I knew out there. Running into you woulda been cool and we coulda done a Heiny. holychicken Feb 15 2009 07:42 PM Yeah, I figured there would be no one there but the when I saw the number of people there I figured I would see someone I knew. I checked everyone saw there, but didn't recognize anyone as well. I figured my dog would have stuck out tho more than me DocTee Feb 15 2009 08:27 PM Cool pics, thanks for sharing them. Did you pour some of that Heiny on the ground, ghetto style, to remember Shea, your fallen friend? Kong76 Feb 16 2009 01:11 PM Tee: Did you pour some of that Heiny on the ground <<< I have to confess that I did deposit some used Heiny behind some construction materials. Edgy DC Feb 16 2009 01:13 PM I'm going to guess you haven't puked at Shea since October 12, 1982. Kong76 Feb 16 2009 06:24 PM I had to google the date but I didn't yak that night. John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 17 2009 09:25 AM Nice shotz guys. ah, screw it. Zvon Feb 17 2009 12:28 PM ="SteveJRogers"]="Iubitul"]="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. What is that watermark on the other side of the card top? That's the Desert Storm logo/thing they added to sets of cards for the troops overseas back in the day. themetfairy Feb 17 2009 02:00 PM Zvon! How have you been? attgig Feb 17 2009 03:53 PM http://twitpic.com/photos/bluenautica one last piece remaining. Frayed Knot Feb 18 2009 11:14 AM Last piece down (video available via Newsday's main sports page) It's all over but the sweeping. soupcan Feb 24 2009 08:02 AM These I guess are almost a week old. From http://www.stadiumpage.com Edgy DC Feb 24 2009 08:14 AM To heck with your copyright, Gary. soupcan Feb 24 2009 08:32 AM 'Zactly. Zvon Feb 24 2009 02:38 PM ="Edgy DC":33njl1ow]To heck with your copyright, Gary.[/quote:33njl1ow] I'll photoshop that out. Shhhh. holychicken Feb 24 2009 03:59 PM ="Zvon":13ygrx4a]="Edgy DC":13ygrx4a]To heck with your copyright, Gary.[/quote:13ygrx4a] I'll photoshop that out. Shhhh.[/quote:13ygrx4a] Simple crop job ought to do. Edgy DC Mar 16 2009 02:56 PM Mini-Shea ripped up from the ground. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/you-too-can-own-a-piece-of-the-mini-city/ Farmer Ted Mar 16 2009 03:14 PM They couldn't save those two satellite dishes? Coulda saved me a few bucks with DirecTV.

]"A lot of things were made in the offseason, we can talk about the New York Mets. They brought in that great pitcher, Johan Santana, but they forgot that it takes more than one player to bring home a championship." --Jimmy Rollins to the Phillies fans Obsessed much? That's just strange.

="Edgy DC":iyjlmtms]="Willets Point":iyjlmtms]Those artist's renderings are pretty hilarious.[/quote:iyjlmtms] What? You doubt that Shea's environs will be entirely populated by the thin, the neat, and the white?[/quote:iyjlmtms] And where are the hovercraft? soupcan Oct 31 2008 07:40 PM ="G-Fafif"]And where are the hovercraft? Now that's funny. Edgy DC Oct 31 2008 08:46 PM How 'bout some love for the straight man? SteveJRogers Oct 31 2008 08:53 PM ="G-Fafif":gggwrmyu]="HahnSolo":gggwrmyu]This is the Mets. Don't hold your breath.[/quote:gggwrmyu] I'm still stunned they built a new ballpark when targeted. I would have bet on a Shea "it'll be ready in 1963" scenario.[/quote:gggwrmyu] HA! Anyone recall, or know what the hangup was there? I mean it was literally right there on the 1962 program, "The 1963 Home Of The Mets" and all! soupcan Oct 31 2008 09:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3izds9qf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:3izds9qf] Goes without saying. Willets Point Oct 31 2008 11:09 PM ="Edgy DC":2ld5yelf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:2ld5yelf] Always working the gay icon angle aren't you? Edgy DC Nov 01 2008 06:32 AM I'm a straight man in need of gay love, or something. metirish Nov 03 2008 08:51 AM ] City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy By John Lauinger Daily News Staff Writer Monday, November 3rd 2008, 10:29 AM The city has gobbled up another chunk of Willets Point in Queens as Mayor Bloomberg pushes his plan to transform the gritty industrial zone near Shea Stadium. In the biggest land deal to date in the neighborhood, the city persuaded Indian food distributor House of Spices - the second-largest landowner at Willets Point - to sell its 4 acres, city officials told the Daily News. The deal is expected to be announced Monday along with an agreement for a third of an acre owned by another company. Combined with previously inked deals, the city now controls more than 40% of the 62-acre tangle of auto body shops and other businesses - and could soon have half the land. Bloomberg wants to spend $3 billion to turn the area into a glitzy enclave of 5,500 residences, stores, a hotel and a convention center. The percentage of city-controlled land is becoming increasingly important as pressure mounts on Bloomberg to sell skeptical City Council members on his plan before Nov. 13. That is the deadline for the Council to take a make-or-break vote on the proposal. Previously, 32 of 51 Council members signed a letter saying Bloomberg's $3 billion proposal is "doomed" unless eminent domain - the government's power to take private land for public use - is taken off the table. City economic development officials are promising to roll out as many as nine additional deals before the deadline. Four deals are "imminent" and could be announced this week, and talks with five other businesses are "very far along," said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber. If all of those deals are inked, the city would control slightly more than half of Willets Point. "They still have a lot of work to do in a very short period of time," said City Councilman Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens), whose district includes Willets Point. He said the city must also add more affordable housing to the plan. jlauinger@nydailynews.com Willets Point Nov 03 2008 10:02 AM ="metirish"]] City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy No one owns me, I'm my own man! soupcan Nov 04 2008 10:45 AM Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2008 10:50 AM Are those Doug Flynn's initials? metirish Nov 04 2008 10:51 AM JR Ewing? soupcan Nov 04 2008 10:52 AM 'Junior' for Jeff Wilpon. metsguyinmichigan Nov 04 2008 11:19 AM Looking at the construction workers and the "courage" work, I think the Robinson Routunda might turn out better than I expected. G-Fafif Nov 04 2008 12:44 PM Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT? Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 04 2008 12:47 PM ="G-Fafif":3nkr8yzs]Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT?[/quote:3nkr8yzs] It's in your wallet, where your money used to be. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2008 12:55 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":k2s009ni] Are those Doug Flynn's initials?[/quote:k2s009ni] lol Frayed Knot Nov 04 2008 03:48 PM Hey, at least there are NYM logos on that gating and not LAD A Boy Named Seo Nov 04 2008 03:59 PM ="soupcan"] Those things remind me of these things: metirish Nov 04 2008 04:02 PM That's not for me? soupcan Nov 06 2008 07:32 AM Edgy DC Nov 06 2008 07:57 AM So a big difference there is no façade on the back of the upper bleachers. Is it because exposed ironwork is cool or is it to make more of an open-air concourse? Benjamin Grimm Nov 06 2008 08:03 AM What about the color of the bricks? Does anyone know? How well does the color of Citi Field match Ebbets? metirish Nov 06 2008 08:19 AM Ebbets Field looks better I think, at least from that view. That's not a photo though , is it? soupcan Nov 06 2008 08:39 AM Here's another HahnSolo Nov 06 2008 09:34 AM ="soupcan"]Here's another Easiest Where's Waldo ever. soupcan Nov 06 2008 09:37 AM Golf clap. soupcan Nov 18 2008 10:58 AM Sod is down... Picture 2326.avi metirish Nov 18 2008 10:59 AM I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me. metsguyinmichigan Nov 18 2008 11:47 AM ="HahnSolo"]="soupcan"]Here's another Easiest Where's Waldo ever. VERY funny! SteveJRogers Nov 18 2008 07:56 PM It is now a neat juxtaposition looking at Shea and Citi Field in overhead photos now and a year ago. One stadium with field and seats waiting for the new season to begin, the other the field looks like a battlefield, and the seats are not installed. Zvon Nov 18 2008 08:19 PM ="metirish":1zykiufq]I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me.[/quote:1zykiufq] I have to admit they excite me too. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 08:56 PM Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field. Willets Point Nov 18 2008 09:17 PM ="Edgy DC":ez0b190s]Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field.[/quote:ez0b190s] And in a thousand years it will have the derelict charm of the Roman Coliseum. Hey, it already has the feral cats. Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2008 04:29 AM I've thought the same thing. They'd just have to pop out some passageways so that traffic could flow easily. SteveJRogers Nov 25 2008 02:15 PM From baseball-fever.com a view from behind home plate (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2008 02:18 PM That porch in right field looks like a drawer that needs to be pushed shut. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) metirish Nov 25 2008 02:26 PM From baseball-fever (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) G-Fafif Nov 25 2008 02:27 PM Orange foul poles, my heart be still. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2008 02:29 PM I can picture a slicing line drive landing in fair territory and bouncing into the stands at the lower left. I guess it would still be a ground-rule double if that happened, even though the stands it bounces into are in foul territory. I wonder what "Hal the Referee" would say? (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2008 02:31 PM ="G-Fafif":17s8qtsk]Orange foul poles, my heart be still.[/quote:17s8qtsk] Yeah. Looked like earlier versions had 'em yellow. Maybe they were just renderings. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Frayed Knot Nov 25 2008 02:34 PM Oh it would be a G-R double. Stuff like that happens all the time in Philly (both the new place and the old) and both in YSII and in RF in Boston (and I'm sure others as well). Hard to tell, but these jutting stands in LF don't look to have as extreme an angle as those in Philly but looks like we'll still get our share of goofy bounces back towards fair territory for balls that stay low enough to hit the facing of the stands and not bounce into the seats themselves. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) metirish Nov 25 2008 02:35 PM This link here has a better picture of the lines and the foul pole. http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=60954&page=341 Also there are drawings of the park. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Farmer Ted Nov 25 2008 02:46 PM There appear to be extra tunnels in the upper deck behind home plate. Quick outs for the upper level fat cats. What is that press-box-looking-structure behind home plate (about 15 feet up from playing level? (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2008 04:08 PM ]Citi Field nearly ready to open its doors Builders of Mets' new ballpark influenced by other stadiums By Anthony DiComo / MLB.com NEW YORK -- The left-field wall rises conspicuously high at Citi Field, making it both a point of note and, recently, a point of contention. "Eighteen feet," Mets COO Jeff Wilpon guessed on Tuesday, before a site worker pegged the actual height at 16 feet. And Wilpon was pleased. Citi Field, he said, may retain its predecessor's reputation as a pitcher-friendly park, but it hardly caters only to those on the mound. Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall. "Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable." Such details of the new stadium have now become focal points, because Citi Field is so close to completion. A stroll through the park on Tuesday revealed that all the seats have been installed, the press box and Diamond Club are already encased in glass, and workers have begun installing major appliances within the concession stands. Yet of greater interest to Wright, Murphy, Evans and others in uniform, of course, is what lies deeper within the stadium. Lockers have been fully installed in the home clubhouse -- Wright has already chosen his -- and the carpet and bathroom tiles feature images of the fluorescent icons affixed to Shea Stadium's exterior walls. Adjacent rooms lead to some typical clubhouse amenities -- the manager's office, kitchen and weight room, to name a few -- save for one in the back that houses a hot tub, a cold tub and an underwater treadmill. Unlike anything at Shea Stadium, that room, along with one for indoor batting cages and pitching mounds, will allow players to rehab injuries at Citi Field, rather than always fly to the team's Spring Training complex in Port St. Lucie, Fla. In designing this ballpark, the Mets patched together ideas and influences from stadiums around the country. An overhang in right field, for example, protrudes above the warning track in a nod to the old Tiger Stadium. In the upper deck, a two-tiered layout reveals influence from Cincinnati's Great American Ball Park. Pieces of Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia and Coors Field in Denver are present, though Wilpon noted that his greatest influence in the design of Citi Field was seven-year-old PNC Park in Pittsburgh. "I wanted to super-size Pittsburgh," said Wilpon, who went on a nationwide ballpark tour before building his own. "I really liked Pittsburgh the best." Yet the one influence, even more than Pittsburgh's, that Wilpon wanted to capture was that of Ebbets Field in Brooklyn -- the inspiration for Citi Field's exterior and perhaps its most prominent feature, the Jackie Robinson Rotunda. Still incomplete, the rotunda will become Citi Field's main entranceway, allowing fans to spill out of the Willits Point subway station and into a miniature baseball shrine. An escalator leads up to the seating bowl and down below, Robinson's nine values -- a staple of the Jackie Robinson Foundation's message -- are featured. Before Opening Day, workers will also erect a nine-foot No. 42 for fans to see as they enter the park. Steps outside the rotunda lies something similarly striking, if only for its incompleteness. Shea Stadium, home of the Mets for 44 years, has been reduced to an empty dirt bowl, its seats stripped, its sod removed and nearly all of its signage disappeared. Wilpon said he hoped that Shea would be completely disassembled and converted into a parking lot by Opening Day, with small markers at the site of home plate and the pitcher's rubber. Already, Shea Stadium's frame is nearly lost in the shadow of Citi Field, which -- despite holding only 42,500 seats, roughly a 25 percent drop from Shea -- seems built on a much greater scale. There are open areas for picnic tables and standing room, and a "GA Club" behind home plate in which ticket-holders can mingle. There is a Diamond Plaza near the rotunda where Shea Stadium's old home run apple will rest, and a large concrete basin in center field for Citi Field's new apple. There are tiered bullpens in center field -- the Mets will have the lower one, closer to the field -- and a plaza outside the rotunda for greenery. Wilpon was steps away from that plaza, inside the Jackie Robinson Rotunda, when he looked up and admired his handiwork. "Powerful, right?" he said. "It's now becoming what we want it to become." G-Fafif Dec 02 2008 04:34 PM Very pretty pictures of a very pretty ballpark-to-be. But their immediate impact is to make me sad in that it's so not Shea. I know, I know: that's the idea. A few innings inside could have me changing my tune pretty quickly, but it just looks like something else from somewhere else right now. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 04:56 PM ="Anthony DiComo":3aqa8uko]Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall.[/quote:3aqa8uko] What in particular gets your attention about this sentence? metirish Dec 02 2008 04:59 PM That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far. Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2008 05:10 PM I like that the tiles and carpeting include a tribute to Shea Stadium. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 02 2008 05:23 PM Richard Pryor had this observation to make during a seventies routine. People were talking about this dystopic futureshock sci-fi movie, called Logan's Run that left them unsettled. He went to it and was unsettled for a different reason. "I noticed there were no colored folks in this movie. Somebody's not expecting us to be around." Not that I think they're eradicating peeps of color from the roster, but while some Omar-critics may find it depressing that only five of 17 batters on the roster are caucasian, I noticed three of those five were the only ones invited to Jeff Wilpon's (who I don't think is a moron) private sleepover. Dude needs to broaden his experience. This ain't the Greenvale School. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:16 PM And yeah, I'm not too keen on Wilpon not understanding that they should be focused on the business at hand in late September. Nymr83 Dec 02 2008 05:18 PM It seems obvious that Wright would be the first one invited and Murphy was being rewarded for his explosive rookie performance. Nick Evans? really? you need Nick Evans to test out your new park? I understand not inviting Delgado who might not be back but where was Beltran? Reyes? Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:23 PM Pat Zachry. I mean, good sources have assured me that they speak English and everything. G-Fafif Dec 02 2008 05:48 PM ]Still incomplete, the rotunda will become Citi Field's main entranceway, allowing fans to spill out of the Willits Point subway station Anthony DiComo obviously drives to games and has never seen the sign for the station (or met our own Willets Point). With the ballpark name in at least a little limbo, one hopes the MTA hasn't invested in new station signs just yet. metirish Dec 02 2008 05:58 PM ="metirish"]That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far. I had not read the article when I made that comment , so Wilpon was talking about a 16 foot high wall in LF , not sure if I'm Nick Evens I think that the boss is giving me a compliment here. ] Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable." Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 06:10 PM I want it noted, suckers, that one of the primary indictments of Shea --- that the outfield field-level seats largely face directly toward the outfield, rather than the infield where most of the action occurs, does not appear to be improved upon at all at Citi. soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:23 AM bb-f again ="Edgy DC"]I want it noted, suckers, that one of the primary indictments of Shea --- that the outfield field-level seats largely face directly toward the outfield, rather than the infield where most of the action occurs, does not appear to be improved upon at all at Citi. Not so! Angled seats... metirish Dec 04 2008 08:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 04 2008 09:44 AM High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:25 AM ="soupcan":188c6xn0]Not so! Angled seats...[/quote:188c6xn0] Well, shut my mouth. Rows angled maybe ten degrees toward the infield. Seats angled ten degrees more. That's something. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 09:27 AM I do like the improved legroom. You can even have a guy in a hardhat kneel down in front of your seat, if that's your idea of a good time. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:30 AM You've been reading my blog. soupcan Dec 04 2008 01:12 PM Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3bdfxevb] metirish Dec 04 2008 01:18 PM ="soupcan":3fpddl03]Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3fpddl03][/quote:3fpddl03] Very cool , at the 2:10 mark they show a fenced in patch of green next to the stand in what I think is left of center field , is that the bullpen? Farmer Ted Dec 04 2008 01:28 PM Mets logo on the end seat of each row. Looking classy. soupcan Dec 04 2008 01:29 PM A lot of nice hi-res shots like this at metsblog.com on the front page. This the first pic I've seen of the nice w - i - d - e concourses. seawolf17 Dec 04 2008 01:34 PM ="metirish":cf49cmfu]High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think.[/quote:cf49cmfu] Considering what happened this year, you'd think they'd be conscious of that. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 01:40 PM They should string circus-style safety nets below each of the escalators. That concourse does look nice. It's easy to see how you could be standing on the hot dog line while keeping an eye on the game. That, I think, is the best thing that the new stadium will have over Shea. I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 01:43 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3jnxf2zm] I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation.[/quote:3jnxf2zm] Yeah, though its supposed to subtly remind you of the bridge on the Mets logo, which is supposed to remind you of how the Mets reached across the city to "bridge" fans of the Giants and Dodgers, and the Eastsiders and Westsiders, and Kiddies and Wives, and the Butcher, the Baker and the People on the Street. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 01:49 PM Thank God the Mets brought kiddies and wives together. Willets Point Dec 04 2008 03:19 PM ="Edgy DC":h0g9fccu]You've been reading my blog.[/quote:h0g9fccu] I want to read this blog. Valadius Dec 04 2008 04:02 PM I like the use of brick on the inside of the stadium rather than just the facade. Rockin' Doc Dec 04 2008 05:23 PM No one will ever pull an Endy on that left field wall. How tall is that wall in left field? Zvon Dec 04 2008 05:33 PM What I like: almost everything. It looks beautiful, real low to the ground. User friendly for the fan. On the whole a nice new home for my Metsies. What I don't like: I've never been a fan of the two tier bullpen. Hate em! Bullpen fights could make things exciting though. I really like the use of chain link fence here, but that one outjutting looks like trouble to me. Once again, the whole right field set up should make things exciting. (I'm not against "exciting", I just do not like silly injuries) I like an outfield wall where there's always a possibility of pulling one back into the park. So I'm not too thrilled with the height of that left field wall. I am assuming that these are the outfield walls (that there wont be wooden ones placed a foot or so in front of those we see, which I think I'd prefer). I'm sure that if they go with these concrete walls that will be padded with the best material available, but I still don't like the idea of a wall with absolutely no give to it. Don't mind me. Im just being an idiopathic idiosyncrat. themetfairy Dec 04 2008 05:57 PM Not at all Zvon - I enjoyed your illustrative input. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 06:05 PM I like an outfield wall with a hidden door that an outfielder can suddenly disappear through. Valadius Dec 04 2008 06:36 PM It's almost like they're setting up for a Field of Dreams cornfield stunt. Frayed Knot Dec 04 2008 09:20 PM Or a Manny signing. soupcan Dec 07 2008 04:02 PM Old Apple goes here? Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2008 05:23 PM My understanding (could be wrong, though) is that the old apple is going to be inside the stadium but somewhere in centerfield. Edgy DC Dec 07 2008 05:36 PM That'll be an all-nu apple. soupcan Dec 07 2008 05:42 PM You saying all-nu inside or all-nu outside? Edgy DC Dec 07 2008 07:15 PM All-nu inside. soupcan Dec 07 2008 07:21 PM Right - but that podium or hole or whatever is outside, so I'm thinking that's where the old one will go. Or a statue..? Frayed Knot Dec 07 2008 07:23 PM Yeah, my understanding was nu-apple inside, apple-classic on view somewhere outside. G-Fafif Dec 07 2008 08:08 PM Both will be out in center, according to Metsblog, which was on the media tour last week. ]For starters, Jeff Wilpon told reporters that the old Home-Run Apple from Shea Stadium will be on display in back of the concourse in center field, which was good to hear. However, a new Apple will pop up from a concrete cannister beneath the center-field scoreboard. That thing they're building outside, obviously, is a kiddie pool. soupcan Dec 12 2008 02:41 PM So the outside is an homage to Ebbets. The green seats are supposedly a nod to the Polo Grounds. Where's Shea? Oh there it is, on the floor of the locker room. Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what? Edgy DC Dec 12 2008 02:44 PM That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. Zvon Dec 12 2008 02:49 PM That is one ugly rug. So Shea gets the honor of being stepped on? Valadius Dec 12 2008 04:58 PM Pepitone's rug looks like Blagojevich's. metirish Dec 12 2008 05:03 PM ="Edgy DC":befgt7hd]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. [/quote:befgt7hd] Very funny. dgwphotography Dec 12 2008 05:11 PM ="Edgy DC"]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. I'm think Phil here would give Joe a run for his money: themetfairy Dec 12 2008 05:14 PM That has to be Phil's own hair. Nobody would construct a toupee THAT ugly! metsguyinmichigan Dec 12 2008 05:43 PM ="metirish":3bn5ocf6]="Edgy DC":3bn5ocf6]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. [/quote:3bn5ocf6] Very funny.[/quote:3bn5ocf6] WOW. And the rug on the guy on the right in the tan coat is horrible, too! And if I were Phil Spector's attorney, I'd go for the insanity defense and just point to him sitting there with that 'do and sit back and wait for the acquittal. soupcan Dec 12 2008 07:11 PM Pepitone's dead? Edgy DC Dec 12 2008 07:59 PM Guess not. My boo-boo. Sorry, Joe. I just sent a white elephant Christmas gift to my sister's Yankfan boyfriend. It was a Yankee hat that my brother got Pepitone's autograph on. What did he ever think I'd want with that. One time Pepitone, after missing a ballgame with a niggling injury while playing in Japan, was photographed at a disco later, out dancing with his wig. To this day, supposedly, American players who come to Japan and play the diva are called "Pepitones." Willets Point Dec 13 2008 05:52 PM ="soupcan":1k1wbb9f] Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what?[/quote:1k1wbb9f] The carpet will be vastly improved by frequently soaking it in champagne. Farmer Ted Dec 13 2008 06:47 PM I was living in NC in the mid 90s and in charge of putting on a sports-related banquet. The Yankees had a minor league team in Greensboro for a number of years and the committee board voted to have a former Yankee or a current member of the organization to be the featured speaker. I swallowed my pride and called the Bronx. The PR office hack said someone would be in touch in a few days. Phone rings 20 minutes later. Pepitone on the other end. No shit. I explain we're looking for a speaker yadda yadda yadda and he says "I'll do it (basically volunteering himself). We can work on a fee but you need to fly me down there. Great times I had in that town." Apparently he had the gig of lining up the Yankees alumni for public appearances. I went back to the committee and told them Pepitone was the best I could do (not that I tried any harder). The room busted into hysterical laughter and we found someone else from a different sport to speak. Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 07:03 PM There was an episode of Mad About You where Jamie asked what ballplayer they can get for a personal appearance on a limited budget. Paul's answer was an aging swinger of a sixties Yankee firstbaseman clearly based on the Pep. cooby Dec 13 2008 07:56 PM I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why? Ashie62 Dec 17 2008 07:05 AM ="cooby":3lcpnzjo]I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why?[/quote:3lcpnzjo] Did you wake up with a woody? Rockin' Doc Dec 17 2008 10:24 AM I believe that would be a physical impossibility for cooby. metsmarathon Dec 17 2008 11:46 AM well, this thread sure has taken some strange strange turns hasn't it? Edgy DC Jan 07 2009 07:49 AM NEW YORK-- Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration will forgo luxury boxes at the new Yankees and Mets ballparks, the city said Tuesday after months of criticism about its handling of the stadium projects. The administration has worked out a new deal with the Yankees to get extra money, instead of a luxury box. A separate and similar agreement is being worked out with the Mets for their new park, a Bloomberg spokesman said. Senior Bloomberg aides had fought hard to get the luxury boxes, describing the perk in internal e-mails as "a big issue to the mayor" during negotiations with the teams in 2006. That battle for the boxes only recently came to light as state and federal lawmakers launched investigations into how the teams and the administration went about making those deals. The decision to give up the luxury boxes comes as Bloomberg seeks reelection this year and repeatedly cites the city's enormous budget shortfalls. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 07 2009 07:56 AM They gave it up at the same time they were forced to cough up reams of smoking guns on how filthy the whole thing was, including begging by the MFYs to increase their duistribution of public $$ to cover shit like their scoreboard and video board. Mets are also asking for more but about half the MFYs overall since the project was so much less expensive. Centerfield Jan 07 2009 03:17 PM I think the Mets should sign Manny and ask the public to pick up the tab.