Expectations of Eleven: Johan Santana

[ashie62]

Ceetar wrote: Ceetar wrote: TransMonk wrote: Gwreck wrote: By that point, the Mets had better be owned by some unburdened-by-Picard Wilpons or by Einhorn. Either way, they pay the $30 million. It's not a "difficulty" unless we have cheapskate ownership. Yup. My thoughts exactly. Furthermore, if he's not ready than shut-him-the-fuck-down. 100% in 2012 is better than 65% in a [crossout]meaningless[/crossout] non-contending 2011. yes, but 90% confidence he'll be ready to go in 2012 by pitching in September is better than 50% confident and having to buy an extra pitcher this offseason. There is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer. rehabbing an injury is not done via rest. Why do you use so many unsubstantiated absolutes like "The is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer.? You don't know.....but again..you seem to know I guess. the same reason you use absolutes like "The Mets are done" no, seriously, since when does sitting on your ass get you anywhere? When you have knee surgery, do they tell you to sit around for six months until it's completely healed and then try to walk?

Sitting on my ass may get me somewhere at work but in Johan's case he will do his start one day later and the discomfort was not described as a setback, but a "tweak of schedule."


Let him pitch, if he has breakthrough pain then reevaluate.

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: TransMonk wrote: Gwreck wrote: By that point, the Mets had better be owned by some unburdened-by-Picard Wilpons or by Einhorn. Either way, they pay the $30 million. It's not a "difficulty" unless we have cheapskate ownership. Yup. My thoughts exactly. Furthermore, if he's not ready than shut-him-the-fuck-down. 100% in 2012 is better than 65% in a [crossout]meaningless[/crossout] non-contending 2011. yes, but 90% confidence he'll be ready to go in 2012 by pitching in September is better than 50% confident and having to buy an extra pitcher this offseason. There is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer. rehabbing an injury is not done via rest. Why do you use so many unsubstantiated absolutes like "The is zero indication that shutting him down is the right answer.? You don't know.....but again..you seem to know I guess. the same reason you use absolutes like "The Mets are done" no, seriously, since when does sitting on your ass get you anywhere? When you have knee surgery, do they tell you to sit around for six months until it's completely healed and then try to walk? Sitting on my ass may get me somewhere at work but in Johan's case he will do his start one day later and the discomfort was not described as a setback, but a "tweak of schedule." Let him pitch, if he has breakthrough pain then reevaluate.

In general, I agree, but it's not a tweak of schedule it's a fly back to the doctor in NY and don't make your start.

[ashie62]

Those were Alderson's words for what its worth.

Anyway..let johan throw.

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: Those were Alderson's words for what its worth. Anyway..let johan throw.

Today? I didn't hear anything today but I was in the gym between the announcement and the game.

[ashie62]

Naturally I can't find the link. This is from the NY Times blog on Johan I found interesting.

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/santana-to-have-shoulder-examined/

[Benjamin Grimm]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Next great anchor contract.

I think this is the winning entry for this thread.

[Edgy MD]

I prefer "millstone contract."

Interesting in that, in a acquiring a big star moving toward free agency, teams aim to land a guy and lock him up in one fell swoop. But if the Mets traded for Santana, enjoyed that one year with him and let him go, they would have made off like bandits.

Omar wins as a talent evaluator and loses as a businessman.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: I prefer "millstone contract." Interesting in that, in a acquiring a big star moving toward free agency, teams aim to land a guy and lock him up in one fell swoop. But if the Mets traded for Santana, enjoyed that one year with him and let him go, they would have made off like bandits. Omar wins as a talent evaluator and loses as a businessman.

I view the Santana contract as sorta the last good thing that happened to the Mets, and would still have done it again given the options, but yeah.

If they'd just kept him as the one year rental, after that 2008 dominating second to last game, I can just imagine how much money he would've gotten.