Cuban for Deadbeat (split from All-Time Walkoff Team)

[Guest Edgy DC]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's a lot easier to hide from child-support subpoenas in a crowd.

Way below the belt.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Edgy DC wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: It's a lot easier to hide from child-support subpoenas in a crowd. Way below the belt.

I'll stipulate to "sucker punch." I'm not taking a swing at an addiction or illness, but a willful act of neglect/abdication of basic human duty.

Either way, he's out of my pile. Get me some grumpy Grote; he'd help keep me grounded, amidst all the hoopla.

[Guest Edgy DC]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I'll stipulate to "sucker punch." I'm not taking a swing at an addiction or illness, but a willful act of neglect/abdication of basic human duty.

The record never suggested that at all.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Sports Illustrated"]Divorce, American style: Mets shortstop Rey Ord��ez (below) is being sued by his ex, Hilda Maria Fiallo, for nearly $8,000 a month in child support. Ord��ez and Fiallo were divorced in Havana on July 8, 1993, and a Cuban court awarded Fiallo $1.50�yes, $1.50�a month in support for the couple's only child, Rey Jr. Four days later Ord��ez defected to the U.S. during the World University Games. The shortstop signed a four-year, $19 million contract with New York in 2000, which is why Fiallo, who defected last year with Rey Jr., now eight, wants to renegotiate. Although Ord��ez has been voluntarily giving Fiallo $6,250 a month since November, Fiallo says she needs more because she doesn't speak English and can't work.

The details of how the $1.50 (standard award in Cuba) came out at the same time as the $6,250, but the only the former is regularly recalled, apparently because Rey didn't hit enough to include mitigating facts in the popular narrative about him.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Sports Illustrated"]Divorce, American style: Mets shortstop Rey Ord��ez (below) is being sued by his ex, Hilda Maria Fiallo, for nearly $8,000 a month in child support. Ord��ez and Fiallo were divorced in Havana on July 8, 1993, and a Cuban court awarded Fiallo $1.50�yes, $1.50�a month in support for the couple's only child, Rey Jr. Four days later Ord��ez defected to the U.S. during the World University Games. The shortstop signed a four-year, $19 million contract with New York in 2000, which is why Fiallo, who defected last year with Rey Jr., now eight, wants to renegotiate. Although Ord��ez has been voluntarily giving Fiallo $6,250 a month since November, Fiallo says she needs more because she doesn't speak English and can't work. The details of how the $1.50 (standard award in Cuba) came out at the same time as the $6,250, but the only the former is regularly recalled, apparently because Rey didn't hit enough to include mitigating facts in the popular narrative about him.

Well, I was going to let this drop under the auspices of "agree to disagree," but...

The phrase I noticed in that article was "$6,250 a month since November (2000)." The Times article about "What Cuban players leave behind," etc. came in 1999 (an article which focused on various Cuban players, including Jorge Toca, who left children and families behind when they defected... not just those who hit like disinterested pitchers). According to this SI article and whatever else one can find online, the renegotiation came a year and a half later, with no apparent adjustment in support prior to that. Ordonez had been earning six figures-plus for 5 1/2 years at that point, and been in the country for seven.

I don't spend my days defaming the man, or railing about his decision-making... or at least not generally. And if it comes out someday in the public record that he was in fact providing them with financial support in that time-- during which his son was between 1 and 7 years of age-- then on that day, I'll gladly offer a series of acrobatic mea culpas that will make you forget about the liability I present on the offensive front. But this isn't that day.

Toca's not in my pile, either, though he seems like an okay guy.

[Guest Edgy DC]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I don't spend my days defaming the man, or railing about his decision-making... or at least not generally. And if it comes out someday in the public record that he was in fact providing them with financial support in that time-- during which his son was between 1 and 7 years of age-- then on that day, I'll gladly offer a series of acrobatic mea culpas that will make you forget about the liability I present on the offensive front. But this isn't that day.

That's quite the assumption of guilt. We know about his voluntary payments which began in November of 2000 (shortly after they arrived), and knowing what we know about stiff US restrictions on money sent into Cuba, what reason is there to believe he willfully neglected them at all?

All we know and have ever known is a disagreeement between two parties of $6,250 and $8,000 --- a difference that doesn't suggest either party has been or is being unreasonable.