Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 7, 2009 Posted November 7, 2009 I've been futzing around with the aughts. My quick way of meauring the productivity of a batter is to take his OPS+, subtract 60, and multiply it by his plate appearances. Nymr doesn't like it but it works for me.So I've been measuring the Mets of the Aughts, trying to find out the best players at each position. It came upon me that I can do even better, position by position, by using that cool new baseball-reference.com stat sOPS+, which measures a players OPS not compared to the league, but compared to his peer group at that position. So a catcher with an OPS+ of 117 compared to the league might have a 135 when compared only to catchers. That's the ticket.So, anyway, I've got some data. And I challenge you to guess what it is I've got.Give me the top 10 most productive Met players at each (or any, if each is too big a drag) position during the aughts using (sOPS+ - 60) X PA.For an eleventh challenge at each positon, give me the most counterproductive Met player at that spot during the aughts using (sOPS+ - 60) X PA. This has to be a guy who failed, but continued to get plate appearances.Finally, rank the positions according to how the Mets did overall relative to their peers in the league (what their sOPS+ is) during that period.For the purposes of this exercise, there are 11 positions --- the standard nine plus pinch hitters and designated hitters. Keep in mind also that we are measuring a guy's productviity at each position seperately. So you may think one pretty good season (or half season) should get a dude into the top ten, but it's less likely if the guy played a few positions.Try and have fun and resist looking back at the seasons, or at each other's answers.
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 7, 2009 Posted November 7, 2009 Frinstance, I haven't done the sorting yet, but here are my guesses for the ten most productive Met firstbasemen of the aughts:[*:dqfv6vx4]Delgado[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Zeile[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Vaughn[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Phillips[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Piazza[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Murphy[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Mientkiewicz[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Clark[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]Valent[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][*:dqfv6vx4]McEwing[/*:m:dqfv6vx4][/list:o:dqfv6vx4]And the most counterproductive: Bell
Chad ochoseis Old-Timey Member Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 2B:1. Alfonzo2. J. Reyes3. Castillo4. Valentin5. Easley6. McEwing7. Cora8. Scutaro9. A. Hernandez10. WoodwardMost counterproductive: Matsui
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 That's the spirit.I award 10 pints if you have a correct guy and have him ranked in the right slot. If you're off by a slot, you get nine points; two slots, eight points, etc.Mendoza's crack at the top keystoners of the aughts is game, but it only netted him 46 points out of a possible 110. I got 76 points out of the firstbasemen.By the way, I count 39 distinct firstbasemen in the aughts, and 33 distinct secondbasemen.
Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket Guests Posted November 8, 2009 Posted November 8, 2009 So, anyway, I've got some data. And I challenge you to guess what it is I've got. * Give me the top 10 most productive Met players at each (or any, if each is too big a drag) position during the aughts using (sOPS+ - 60) X PA.C Piazza--LoDuca--Phillips--Pratt--Santos1B Delgado--Zeile--Vaughn--Piazza--Muffy--Phillips2B Valentin-- Alfonzo-- Castillo-- MatsuiSS Reyes3B Wright--Alfonzo--WiggintonLF Floyd--Alou--Agbayani--Tatis--ChavezCF Beltran--Cameron--Payton-- Chavez-- ShinjoRF Green?--Francoeur--Church--Cameron--Hidalgo--T Perez--CedenoUT/DH Chavez ? * For an eleventh challenge at each positon, give me the most counterproductive Met player at that spot during the aughts using (sOPS+ - 60) X PA. This has to be a guy who failed, but continued to get plate appearances.C Schneider1B Meintkiewicz2B CairoSS Ordonez3B WiggintonLF ChavezCF DuncanRF SpencerPH/DH Anderson * Finally, rank the positions according to how the Mets did overall relative to their peers in the league (what their sOPS+ is) during that period.CFSSC3B2B1BUT/DHLFRF
Guest Edgy DC Guests Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 Good effort --- half-hearted in a sense, in listing only five-ish guys at each position, but more whole-heartedly in taking it to the end.Keep in mind that at DH and PH, I'm giving guys credit only for the productivity they earned at those "positions."
HahnSolo Old-Timey Member Posted November 9, 2009 Posted November 9, 2009 I did no statistical research, but I will give CF a crackBeltranPaytonCameronAgbayaniChavezHamiltonShinjoPerezPaganMatthews Jr.Least productive:Jeff Duncan
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