Mets Media Guide assistance

[Benjamin Grimm]

Edgy DC wrote: Anyhow, I hope this helps and is readable.

Yes, and yes. I've worked my way through about half of the pages posted here, and I appreciate the help you guys have been providing.

It's interesting that, in some years, it looks like there would only be two or three players on the disabled list all season long. (That's hard to imagine in the wake of the 2009 season.) I wonder if that's accurate, or if the media guides aren't as thorough as they should be.

I seem to remember that in the past there were limits to how many players could be on the DL at a time. There were a certain number of slots on the 15-day, and another number on the 21-day, and then there was the 60-day. And there also seems to have been an "emergency disabled list." (I don't know what the story is on that.) But maybe these limits caused teams to hesitate to disable a player. For example, it looks like Jerry Grote wasn't on the DL at all in 1972, although he seems to have missed a lot of playing time.

[Guest Edgy DC]

How about that Uncle Maxie?

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/unclemaxie__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Trying to move a 1965 for $149 and a 1964 for $239. And he's holding a 1963 hostage for $729.

Hey, Maxie, give me a break. The price is supposed to drop when the team stinks.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Still haven't gone through all of the posted scans, but here's what I have so far:

http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/disabledlist.php

[Guest Edgy DC]

This seems to be basically what 1965 adds up to:

Kevin Collins, Shoulder Surgery, 4/22/1965-9/1/1965

Ron Hunt, Shoulder Surgery, 5/12/1965-8/5/1965

Dennis Musgraves, Sore Elbow, 8/9/1965-9/21/1965

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Collins told me the shoulder injury occurred while he was making warm-up throws in the infield before what would have been his first major-league start.

[Benjamin Grimm]

It's amazing how some years have so few DL stints, and other seasons have so many. There seem to be a lot fewer in the earlier years. I wonder, is it because of fewer injuries? Or because the rules of the time somehow made teams be more conservative about using the DL? Or is it because of incomplete data in the media guides?

I suspect it's the second reason I listed, that it's some reflection of the rules that were in effect regarding the disabled list. But it's just a guess. I don't know for sure what changes have been made, although it seems that the 21-day list was eliminated at some point along the way.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Roids

[Benjamin Grimm]

On that link I posted above, take a look at Ron Gardenhire in 1984 and 1985. Made me think, in an uncomfortable way, about Jose Reyes.

[Guest Edgy DC]

1969: two injuries and three shifts with Uncle Sam.

Art Shamsky, back injury, 4/8/1969-4/29/1969

Nolan Ryan, groin injury, 5/12/1969-6/8/1969

Ken Boswell, military duty, 5/30/1969-6/15/1969

Bud Harrelson, military duty, 6/25/1969-7/11/1965

Tug McGraw, military duty, 7/6/1969-7/20/1969

[metirish]

I wonder if with todays high priced players the DL is used more than "back in the day" , with more money invested in players and all that. I guess that's what grim is wondering above too.

[Benjamin Grimm]

I also think there may have been a maximum number of players who were allowed on the DL at any one time, which may have discouraged using the DL for nagging injuries so that you'd have open spots on the DL for the more serious stuff. Jerry Grote, for example, was injured throughout the 1972 season, yet (as far as I can tell) never went on the DL. He just had severely reduced playing time.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Now that the season is over, I've once again been motivated to take a fresh look at this.

Here are the media guide seasons that I'm still missing. (Meaning that there may be disabled list transactions from the previous year that have not yet been logged.)

1963
1964
1965
1967
1968
1969
1971
1972
1974
1991
2006
2007

The full list of transactions that I've entered can be found at this page.

And, below, are transactions that I know about but have not yet entered. (I still have to figure out how, or if, I'm going to log the military time.) And as for the injuries from 1972, 1977, and 1989, I'm going to see if I can find out what the injuries actually were. (I'm pretty sure that Felix Millan's was a separated shoulder from when he was slammed by Ed Ott of the Pirates, but I want to get that confirmed by some contemporary source if I can.)

Thanks once again to everyone who helped with this way back last fall. If anyone can help fill in some of the remaining gaps, I'd very much appreciate it.

1969 MILITARY LIST
Ken Boswell 5/30 to 6/15
Bud Harrelson 6/25 to 7/11
Tug McGraw 7/6 to 7/20
Ken Boswell 8/9 to 8/11
Nolan Ryan 8/11 to 9/1

1970 MILITARY LIST
Nolan Ryan 6/26 to 7/16
Ken Boswell 7/14 to 8/3
Mike Jorgensen 8/14 to 9/1


Bill Sudakis 4/14/72 to 7/10
Jim Beauchamp 7/10/72 to 8/1
Bud Harrelson 8/3/72 to 8/25

Bob Myrick 7/5/77 to 7/29/77
Felix Millan 8/13/77 to end of season

Mark Carreon 4/2/89 to 4/25
Tim Teufel 6/5/89 to 6/23 89
Barry Lyons 6/27/89 to 7/25/89
Dwight Gooden 7/2/89 to 9/2

[Guest Edgy DC]

Here are 2006 transactions as reported in the 2007 Media Guide.

[G-Fafif]

Doc in '89 was a small tear back of the shoulder.

Teufel in '89 was sprained right ankle.

Lyons in '89 was broken right toe.

Carreon in '89 was I Don't Know but it happened before the season began; when he was reinstated, he was optioned to Tidewater.

Myrick in '77 was a strained muscle in right rib cage.

Millan in '77 was broken collarbone and separated shoulder.

Harrelson in '72 was a strained back.

Sudakis in '72 was right knee still in need of strengthening after it had "ironically" damaged cartilage in a 1971 collision with Duffy Dyer (according to '73 yearbook)

Beauchamp in '72 was I Don't Know, but '73 yearbook says series of shoulder strains earlier in career robbed him of "sure-shot stardom".

Edited October 12, 2010 by Guest

[G-Fafif]

1990 transactions from the '91 Media Guide (scanner busted)...

[TDW = Tidewater; JAX = Jackson; All DL assignments 15-day unless otherwise noted]

3/29 Minor League Camp for reassignment: Bross, Brown, Mike Miller, Schourek, Dave Trautwein, Valera, Hundley, Donnels, McDaniel, Jaime Roseboro

4/5 Brent Knackert claimed on waivers by SEA; Lombardi claimed on waivers by ATL

4/6 Beatty placed on 60-Day DL left elbow surgery

4/7 Mercado purch from TDW

4/8 Hughes outrighted to TDW

4/25 Innis optioned to TDW; Carr purchased from JAX

4/30 Miller on DL: right hamstring; Reed purchased from TDW; Boston claimed from CHW; Mercado outrighted to TDW; Thonrton optioned to TDW; Carr optioned to JAX

[NOTE: Rosters were 27 men through April 30, 1990 because of short spring training after lockout]

5/16 Reed optioned TDW

5/17 Miller back from DL

5/18 Lyons to DL: lower back; Hundley recalled from TDW

5/30 Thornton recalled and outrighted to TDW; Hundley optioned to JAX

6/1 Mercado purch from TDW

6/2 Whitehurst optioned to TDW

6/3 Liddell purch from TDW

6/12 Liddell opt to TDW

6/13 Whitehurst recalled from TDW

6/17 Innis recalled from TDW

6/18 Machado optioned to TDW; Lyons recalled and optioned to TDW

6/19 Lyons assigned to TDW for rehab

7/9 Lyons optioned to TDW

7/11 Musselman opt to TDW

7/12 Hundley recalled from JAX

7/16 Marshall to DL: duodenitis; Diaz recalled from TDW

7/30 Jaime Rosebro recalled (NOT TO REPORT) and outrighted to JAX

7/22 Innis opt to TDW

7/23 Machado recalled from TDW

7/25 Hundley opt to TDW

7/26 Brown recalled from TDW

7/28 Marshall back from DL, traded to BOS for Greg Hansell, Endero Perozo and PTBNL

8/2 Brown optioned to TDW

8/3 Trevino signed as free agent

8/4 Elster to DL: tendinitis right shoulder

8/7 Torve purch from TDW

8/15 Miller to DL: lower-back spasms

8/16 Reed recalled from TDW

8/21 Carreon to DL: torn ligament right knee; Carr recalled from TDW

8/24 Carreon to 60-Day DL; Machado opt to TDW

8/25 Hundley recalled from JAX

8/28 Diaz opt to TDW

8/29 Baez purch from TDW

8/30 Tabler acq from KCR for Archie Corbin; Mercado claimed by MON; Valera recalled from TDW; Carr opt to JAX

8/31 Herr acq from PHI for Rocky Elli, Nikco Riego; O'brien acq from MIL with PTBNL for two PTBNL; Trevino waived for uncon rel; Elster to 60-Day DL

9/1 Miller back from DL

9/2 Brown recalled from TDW

9/4 Machado, Mussleman, Innis, Torve recalled from TDW; Jelic purch from TDW; Lyons waived for uncon rel

9/7 Trevino cliamed by CIN; Brown sent to MIL as O'Brien PTBNL; Hughes purch from TDW; Bross, Mike Miller, Donnels, Carr, McDaniel recalled from JAX not to report

9/10 Schatzeder acq from HOU for Steve LaRose and Nicky Davis

9/12 Diaz, David Trautwin recalled from TDW, not to report

10/4 Diaz, Torve outrighted to TDW

10/22 O'Malley uncon rel; Strawberry elects FA

10/24 Tabler elects FA

10/26 Schatzeder elects FA

10/29 Elster, Carreon, Beatty reinstated from emergency DL (60 Day)

11/8 Strawberry signs with LAD

11/13 Young purch from JAX; John Johnstone purch from TDW; Hughes, Jelic uncon rel

11/20 Trautwein outright to TDW; Hillman purch from TDW; Michael Miller outright to Boston on waiver claim

12/5 Simons selected from Portland (Rule 5)

12/5 Coleman signed as FA

12/13 Terry Puhl signed as FA

12/14 Mercado signed as FA (sez 12/24 but chronology implies otherwise)

12/15 Brooks acq from LAD for Ojeda and Hansell

12/21 Musselman not tendered, released

1/10/91 Torve signed as FA

1/21/91 Cerone signed as FA

1990 Opening Day Roster

Cone, Darling, Fernandez, Franco, Gooden, Innis, Machado, Musselman, Ojeda, Pena, Viola, Whitehurst

Lyons, Mercado, Sasser

Elster, Jefferies, Johnson, Magadan, Marshall, O'Malley, Teufel

Carreon, McReynolds, Miller, Strawberry, Thornton

[G-Fafif]

Two UMDB notes I came across while pursuing my rich, full life during the 2010 season:

� Andy Green played 1 game at 2B and 1 game at 3B in 2009 -- his defensive info is not listed on his player page and he's not listed among all-time second basemen and third basemen (leaving those totals one player short)

� Dave Roberts signed as a free agent on January 5, 1981 and was released May 27, 1981; his transaction info is not listed on his player page and he's not listed on the Transactions page