Edgy DC wrote: Ceetar wrote: Gooden in '85, 12.5 WAR That's 11.7 with the arm, 0.8 with the bat, and 0.0 with the glove. To think, that's four seasons removed from Pete Falcone's 2.0 pacing the team. You don't really need the numbers to tell you, but that season was a volcanic eruption of goodness. Well, i kinda do, as I was 3 at the time, but yeah. .8 with the bat? heh, he probably could've batted cleanup on that '81 team.