Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I hate to remind my friends here of this, but you are old white men, and old white men's perception of how things "ought to be" is at the heart of interfered-with progress everywhere you look right now, and it's tedious. It's not like the providers of the alleged progress here are diverse, democratic, youthful, and financially divested from the impact of their decisions. I want progress like I want cold water, but I disagree with baseball lords about how progress is measured and how it is arrived at. I'm totally willing to go to bat for progress. But beyond that, I just think ... wait just a minute ... shit ... I have to change my catheter.