Angel Factor ++; Reyes Factor --

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

The Post reports the Mets whacked Argenis Reyes again, and will call up Angel Berroa when the games get going aghain.

This may or may not have been posted here but the Mets and their sharp-eyed front office claimed Berroa on a waiver claim from the MFYs last week. Berroa was the 03 AL Rookie of the Year (in a weak-ish year for AL rookies especially if you don't count Matsui which voters didn't that year) but he has Sucked. Ass. ever since, like a lot.

But plays SS and 2B and 3B competently and might be buds with Beltran from their days in KC and is more capable than Anus Reyes of pushing Jose Reyes, I think.

[metirish]

Angel Berroa is a name I have not heard in a long time , I do remember him being very good and lots of talk about him but then nothing. Is he a good glove type of guy now?

[Frayed Knot]

He's more a guy without a real role - which means he gets bounced from team to team and backs up a lot.

Doesn't get on base enough to deserve a full-time position although has a lot more pop than Argenis (of course so does Castillo so that's not saying much).
The fact that he can play SS and elsewhere makes him a useful bench guy.
If they do bring him I suspect he'll be there until the real Reyes is ready and then probably get sent back again (which means waivers again) unless Cora and/or Castillo goes down in the meantime.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I originally thought this thread was going to be about Angel Pagan giving us some of the Reyes factor that the Mets have been missing.

Anyhow, Berroa has gone .316/ .365 / .491 // .856 with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre this year and .136 / .174 / .182 // .356 with the Yankees. This just underscores for me what an American hero the guy is.

[G-Fafif]

According to Tim Kurkjian in his book on how much he likes covering baseball (it's called I'm Not Chico Harlan), he says Angel Berroa's Baseball Tonight nickname is Angel My Man because in a piece on how the 2003 Royals were going unknown, Harold Reynolds couldn't remember Berroa's name and referred to him, after an uncomfortable pause, as "My Man".

[smg58]

He didn't have enough of an audition with the Yanks to say where he's at right now. His career OPS is .680, hardly good but still potentially useful to us if he can play to that.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Negative UZRs for his career and every year in it, save two. Oral reports from Posnanski, Neyer and the like concur-- the fielding wasn't and isn't so great.

Also, that ROTY season? He was pretty good-- 17 homers, 52 XBH out of the SS position-- but the fact that he was in a very good lineup (Beltran, Ibanez, Sweeney and Randa when they could hit) might have had something to do with the 90+ runs and 70+ RBI.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Still getting him knocking out Argenis Reyes, Pagan knocking out Fartinez, Perez knocking out Redding and Francoeur doing something over there in right --- all in a couple of days --- sure made us look a big league club suddenly those last two days, if not a particularly good one.

[Frayed Knot]

Nice little mini-discussion by BP's Kevin Goldstein[/url:1ldg65bh] on the Berroa pickup - one which says as much about the mindset of angry fans as about the move itself.
Some of the reader comments below are insightful as well.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Can Adam Hobson, Brian Kopec, Richard Bergstrom, tyardis, Evan, and twac00 all be invited to post here?

[metirish]

="Frayed Knot":2jt4u252]Nice little mini-discussion by BP's Kevin Goldstein[/url:2jt4u252] on the Berroa pickup - one which says as much about the mindset of angry fans as about the move itself. Some of the reader comments below are insightful as well.[/quote:2jt4u252] The first few readers comments were interesting , I liked what Brian Kopec had to say....not at all surprised that the comments degenerated towards the end.

Frayed Knot Jul 14 2009 08:47 AM

BP tends to have a thinking man's audience so one would expect the comments there to be a bit more intelligent than the ones Goldstein references came though on his Twitter account, comments I didn't read but really don't need to to know that they're most likely the electronic equivalent of semi-literate screeds etched on bricks thrown through a window.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 14 2009 09:02 AM

="Edgy DC":3l00gdif]Still getting him knocking out Argenis Reyes, Pagan knocking out Fartinez, Perez knocking out Redding and Francoeur doing something over there in right --- all in a couple of days --- sure made us look a big league club suddenly those last two days, if not a particularly good one.[/quote:3l00gdif] Fair enough... and agreed. We're long since past decrying the toss-it-against-the-wall-and-see-if-it-sticks approach. I've mostly adjusted to a 2003-04 expectation set. Every now and again, the optimist in me harks a healthy "Yeah, but..."; a little bit of scotch and/or ice cream usually clears that right up. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2009 09:11 AM I think the SHaMs are gonna rock for just this reason. Angel Berroa might suck but getting a guy who won't automatically urinate the game away to play in place of Cora once or twice a week is the kinda thing that's gonna make a diff.

[Frayed Knot]

BP tends to have a thinking man's audience so one would expect the comments there to be a bit more intelligent than the ones Goldstein references came though on his Twitter account, comments I didn't read but really don't need to to know that they're most likely the electronic equivalent of semi-literate screeds etched on bricks thrown through a window.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="Edgy DC":3l00gdif]Still getting him knocking out Argenis Reyes, Pagan knocking out Fartinez, Perez knocking out Redding and Francoeur doing something over there in right --- all in a couple of days --- sure made us look a big league club suddenly those last two days, if not a particularly good one.[/quote:3l00gdif] Fair enough... and agreed. We're long since past decrying the toss-it-against-the-wall-and-see-if-it-sticks approach. I've mostly adjusted to a 2003-04 expectation set. Every now and again, the optimist in me harks a healthy "Yeah, but..."; a little bit of scotch and/or ice cream usually clears that right up.

John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2009 09:11 AM

I think the SHaMs are gonna rock for just this reason. Angel Berroa might suck but getting a guy who won't automatically urinate the game away to play in place of Cora once or twice a week is the kinda thing that's gonna make a diff.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I think the SHaMs are gonna rock for just this reason. Angel Berroa might suck but getting a guy who won't automatically urinate the game away to play in place of Cora once or twice a week is the kinda thing that's gonna make a diff.